Article on PA hunting
10-22-2008 | 07:38 PM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
The more bucks that are carried over the more that will die from non-hunting mortality , thus reducing the harvest.
That would only be true if the PGC agreed with me that the herd is below the MSY CC ,but they don't so you are wrong.
The theory of high grading has not been disproven as you claim and you can provide absolutely nothing to show it has been disproven. ARs in PA were established based on computer models from Miss. that were later proven to be flawed.
Oh, and where's your evidencethat AR hurts the gene pool?
10-23-2008 | 08:17 PM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
Sorry, but I agree with BTBowhunter. It's absolutely ridiculous to seriously believe that AR can in fact hurt a deer herd. So we have a higher a higher non hunting mortality rate with bucks, there are still more bucks.
That is like saying if we stopped hunting does statewide for a couple of yearswe would see less deer. You can count on more being hit by cars etc., but there will still be more deer.
That is like saying if we stopped hunting does statewide for a couple of yearswe would see less deer. You can count on more being hit by cars etc., but there will still be more deer.
10-23-2008 | 08:44 PM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
ORIGINAL: muzzyman88
I know of a lot of people going out of state to hunt deer each year and not bothering to hunt here too much. In some areas, can't say I blame them. I really think the PGC needs to reavaluate their current system and make adjustments where they need to be adjusted most.
I think what the PGC did was force people to post their land if they haven't before.
I just wish they would get their head of their arse and go back to seperate seasons and do away with this early muzzleloader nonsense. Even if they would make it statewide that the first week is buck only and the second week is concurrent would help.
As I said before, I think our buck situation has improved tremendously with the antler restrictions. Antler restrictions can't hurt. But I think they've gone overboard with the doe harvest.
I know of a lot of people going out of state to hunt deer each year and not bothering to hunt here too much. In some areas, can't say I blame them. I really think the PGC needs to reavaluate their current system and make adjustments where they need to be adjusted most.
I think what the PGC did was force people to post their land if they haven't before.
I just wish they would get their head of their arse and go back to seperate seasons and do away with this early muzzleloader nonsense. Even if they would make it statewide that the first week is buck only and the second week is concurrent would help.
As I said before, I think our buck situation has improved tremendously with the antler restrictions. Antler restrictions can't hurt. But I think they've gone overboard with the doe harvest.
man, you talk like ole sproul
you are someone with GRIT,you are in woods and see what has happened.
when we went after WMU in pa. we wanted smaller units in each county.
like clinton, we wanted 1 small unit in youngwomans creek,say 10 miles or so.
what did we get,WE GOT ALL THESE COUNTYS INTO 1 BIG UNIT LIKE WMU2G.
this was a MASTER plan to get rid of doe not managed nothing.
this let hunters come from other countys to kiil doe we saved each year [:@].
when we had county only doe permits, we stopped this.
10-24-2008 | 05:26 AM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
I am all for smaller WMU's
BUT if the state made the units small enough to actually be able to manage, the hunters of this state would have went into and uproar becuase they wouldn't be able to hunt all thier spots without having to get many tags, if they even could get tags for them. Most of us on here wouldn't complain cause we'd understand the need, but no doubt the majority of the PA hunters would have went NUTS. UNits too small, too complicated, etc etc .
BUT if the state made the units small enough to actually be able to manage, the hunters of this state would have went into and uproar becuase they wouldn't be able to hunt all thier spots without having to get many tags, if they even could get tags for them. Most of us on here wouldn't complain cause we'd understand the need, but no doubt the majority of the PA hunters would have went NUTS. UNits too small, too complicated, etc etc .
10-24-2008 | 08:39 AM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
rybo, you bring up a goodpoint. It's already a fiasco to get an antlerless tag now.
I think the bottom line is that if you break the WMU's into smaller chunks, someone will lose out each year with where they can and can't get a doe tag. However, it's a small price to pay to get the populations up in less fortunate areas.
It still baffles me that guys will hunt the same spots year after year knowing there are few deer in this area. Enough guys like that in an area who are eventually successful are usually the first to bitch about the lack of deer.
I think the bottom line is that if you break the WMU's into smaller chunks, someone will lose out each year with where they can and can't get a doe tag. However, it's a small price to pay to get the populations up in less fortunate areas.
It still baffles me that guys will hunt the same spots year after year knowing there are few deer in this area. Enough guys like that in an area who are eventually successful are usually the first to bitch about the lack of deer.
10-24-2008 | 08:58 PM
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RE: Article on PA hunting
ORIGINAL: muzzyman88
rybo, you bring up a goodpoint. It's already a fiasco to get an antlerless tag now.
I think the bottom line is that if you break the WMU's into smaller chunks, someone will lose out each year with where they can and can't get a doe tag. However, it's a small price to pay to get the populations up in less fortunate areas.
It still baffles me that guys will hunt the same spots year after year knowing there are few deer in this area. Enough guys like that in an area who are eventually successful are usually the first to bitch about the lack of deer.
rybo, you bring up a goodpoint. It's already a fiasco to get an antlerless tag now.
I think the bottom line is that if you break the WMU's into smaller chunks, someone will lose out each year with where they can and can't get a doe tag. However, it's a small price to pay to get the populations up in less fortunate areas.
It still baffles me that guys will hunt the same spots year after year knowing there are few deer in this area. Enough guys like that in an area who are eventually successful are usually the first to bitch about the lack of deer.
there are years i dont get a buck, i dont hunt doewhen there are few.i go days that i dont even see a deer, 6 am to dark.
i do bitch that there are very few deer in 1 mile of area.i figure right now that there is 6 deer in about 5 mile sq area in my hunting area.
in that 5 mile area there are miles without deer.
killing a buck anywhereis not a trill for me, killing a buck where there are few and i have memories IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
why cant i MANAGE the area i hunt.
why cant i lease my area so i can slowdown the doe killing.
they laughed when i talked about LEASING areas of stateforestland.
i have deer on my privateland, i hate to hunt there,no fun only killing a farm feed half tame buck.
