Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
12-21-2009, 01:58 PM
#481
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
I'm talking about when you purchase your hunting license.
The issuing agents have the computer. No need for everyone to own a computer.
Make it mandatory that you provide the issuing agent with info on what and where you bagged your deer the previous year.
If you don't provide the info, you don't get a license.
Seems pretty straight forward and easy to get a more accurate kill tally.
The issuing agents have the computer. No need for everyone to own a computer.
Make it mandatory that you provide the issuing agent with info on what and where you bagged your deer the previous year.
If you don't provide the info, you don't get a license.
Seems pretty straight forward and easy to get a more accurate kill tally.
12-21-2009, 02:38 PM
#484
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 143
i have to agree with PGC needs an overhaul.. and i know people will give me grief for stating this, and some will agree. i hope most would agree. I seriously think PA needs to go back to the 3 day doe season. my reasoning behind this is simple.
1. PA is under antler restriction. the slaughter of does.. which is what is occuring because finding a legal buck is becoming harder for the average joe hunter, and so they get a doe tag, and then a bonus tag and from personal experience.. just in my area on private land connecting to public land. we had an over abundance of does 5 years ago (72 does in 1 field in 2003) now we are down to about 15. i know this cause i watch deer here on a year long basis. and 15 is just an estimate. but every year this number is dropping significantly due to over doe harvesting.
2. with the antler restriction in place button bucks are getting crushed. with the restriction and going back to the 3 day doe season bucks will almost get a hunt free pass for its first 2 years, and the amount of button bucks shot will decrease, making way for a higher buck to doe population. and dont let this make me sound like a trophy hunter cause im not. but we have the antler restriction in place for a reason, if we kill all the button bucks there will be nothing left to take the place of the big boys that get shot, and fewer bucks will get taken, resulting in more does being harvested
Also i think the game commission needs to change its regulations on accidental harvest. the way the regulations are set up. i doubt any1 would report or turn in a mistaken kill. for instance. took my best friend hunting during 08 archery season. he shot a 6 point thinking it was an 8 point. (the line between 3point and 4 point was 100 yards away) so he turned it in to the game commission stating it was a mistaken kill he thought he was on the 3point side not the 4 point side.. he was fined 250$ lost his liscense for the year and animal was taken.. now im no lawyer but i found that extremely harsh. esp since the hunter was following the law. he could have very well tagged the animal as shot in the 3 point county, but he chose to do the right thing and report it..
1. PA is under antler restriction. the slaughter of does.. which is what is occuring because finding a legal buck is becoming harder for the average joe hunter, and so they get a doe tag, and then a bonus tag and from personal experience.. just in my area on private land connecting to public land. we had an over abundance of does 5 years ago (72 does in 1 field in 2003) now we are down to about 15. i know this cause i watch deer here on a year long basis. and 15 is just an estimate. but every year this number is dropping significantly due to over doe harvesting.
2. with the antler restriction in place button bucks are getting crushed. with the restriction and going back to the 3 day doe season bucks will almost get a hunt free pass for its first 2 years, and the amount of button bucks shot will decrease, making way for a higher buck to doe population. and dont let this make me sound like a trophy hunter cause im not. but we have the antler restriction in place for a reason, if we kill all the button bucks there will be nothing left to take the place of the big boys that get shot, and fewer bucks will get taken, resulting in more does being harvested
Also i think the game commission needs to change its regulations on accidental harvest. the way the regulations are set up. i doubt any1 would report or turn in a mistaken kill. for instance. took my best friend hunting during 08 archery season. he shot a 6 point thinking it was an 8 point. (the line between 3point and 4 point was 100 yards away) so he turned it in to the game commission stating it was a mistaken kill he thought he was on the 3point side not the 4 point side.. he was fined 250$ lost his liscense for the year and animal was taken.. now im no lawyer but i found that extremely harsh. esp since the hunter was following the law. he could have very well tagged the animal as shot in the 3 point county, but he chose to do the right thing and report it..
12-21-2009, 02:45 PM
#485
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
i have to agree with PGC needs an overhaul.. and i know people will give me grief for stating this, and some will agree. i hope most would agree. I seriously think PA needs to go back to the 3 day doe season. my reasoning behind this is simple.
1. PA is under antler restriction. the slaughter of does.. which is what is occuring because finding a legal buck is becoming harder for the average joe hunter, and so they get a doe tag, and then a bonus tag and from personal experience.. just in my area on private land connecting to public land. we had an over abundance of does 5 years ago (72 does in 1 field in 2003) now we are down to about 15. i know this cause i watch deer here on a year long basis. and 15 is just an estimate. but every year this number is dropping significantly due to over doe harvesting.
2. with the antler restriction in place button bucks are getting crushed. with the restriction and going back to the 3 day doe season bucks will almost get a hunt free pass for its first 2 years, and the amount of button bucks shot will decrease, making way for a higher buck to doe population. and dont let this make me sound like a trophy hunter cause im not. but we have the antler restriction in place for a reason, if we kill all the button bucks there will be nothing left to take the place of the big boys that get shot, and fewer bucks will get taken, resulting in more does being harvested
Also i think the game commission needs to change its regulations on accidental harvest. the way the regulations are set up. i doubt any1 would report or turn in a mistaken kill. for instance. took my best friend hunting during 08 archery season. he shot a 6 point thinking it was an 8 point. (the line between 3point and 4 point was 100 yards away) so he turned it in to the game commission stating it was a mistaken kill he thought he was on the 3point side not the 4 point side.. he was fined 250$ lost his liscense for the year and animal was taken.. now im no lawyer but i found that extremely harsh. esp since the hunter was following the law. he could have very well tagged the animal as shot in the 3 point county, but he chose to do the right thing and report it..
1. PA is under antler restriction. the slaughter of does.. which is what is occuring because finding a legal buck is becoming harder for the average joe hunter, and so they get a doe tag, and then a bonus tag and from personal experience.. just in my area on private land connecting to public land. we had an over abundance of does 5 years ago (72 does in 1 field in 2003) now we are down to about 15. i know this cause i watch deer here on a year long basis. and 15 is just an estimate. but every year this number is dropping significantly due to over doe harvesting.
2. with the antler restriction in place button bucks are getting crushed. with the restriction and going back to the 3 day doe season bucks will almost get a hunt free pass for its first 2 years, and the amount of button bucks shot will decrease, making way for a higher buck to doe population. and dont let this make me sound like a trophy hunter cause im not. but we have the antler restriction in place for a reason, if we kill all the button bucks there will be nothing left to take the place of the big boys that get shot, and fewer bucks will get taken, resulting in more does being harvested
Also i think the game commission needs to change its regulations on accidental harvest. the way the regulations are set up. i doubt any1 would report or turn in a mistaken kill. for instance. took my best friend hunting during 08 archery season. he shot a 6 point thinking it was an 8 point. (the line between 3point and 4 point was 100 yards away) so he turned it in to the game commission stating it was a mistaken kill he thought he was on the 3point side not the 4 point side.. he was fined 250$ lost his liscense for the year and animal was taken.. now im no lawyer but i found that extremely harsh. esp since the hunter was following the law. he could have very well tagged the animal as shot in the 3 point county, but he chose to do the right thing and report it..
Just to be sure i understand. Did you just say that your friend shot a 6 point in archery thinking it was an 8 point and he made the mistake because the deer was 100 yards away or was he hunting 100 yards from the border between a 3 and 4 point area?
Last edited by BTBowhunter; 12-21-2009 at 02:48 PM.
12-21-2009, 03:11 PM
#486
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 143
he made the mistake of shooting it 100 yards away from the 3point area.. so he had shot it on the 4 point area, thus his reasoning for turning it in. this was archery season of 08. his first deer ever with a bow. and in his defense it was my camp he was hunting that he had never been to, but he did acknowledge his mistake of restriction lines when he turned the animal in. he could have just said he shot it in deerfield county which is a 3 point side, but he shot it 100 yards from the county line which is basically a road, and the only reason it didnt make a true 7 or 8 point was due to the fact that its brow tines where 3/4 of an inch, and not a legal 1 inch which the commission officer put the tape to and reminded my friend no less than 12 times. in my opinion that was ridiculous
Last edited by nwtrykon87; 12-21-2009 at 03:14 PM.
12-21-2009, 04:05 PM
#487
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 8,167
For the love of God would you people get Gary Alt, the old three day doe season and deer check stations out of your minds.
They are three of the dumbest, mindless, pointless and just plan stupid ideas from the past that didn't work, couldn't work and wouldn't work, please take a second or two and think ahead new ideas or please dial 1 800 dialajoke and speak to some one on your own level.
They are three of the dumbest, mindless, pointless and just plan stupid ideas from the past that didn't work, couldn't work and wouldn't work, please take a second or two and think ahead new ideas or please dial 1 800 dialajoke and speak to some one on your own level.
12-21-2009, 04:08 PM
#488
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
he made the mistake of shooting it 100 yards away from the 3point area.. so he had shot it on the 4 point area, thus his reasoning for turning it in. this was archery season of 08. his first deer ever with a bow. and in his defense it was my camp he was hunting that he had never been to, but he did acknowledge his mistake of restriction lines when he turned the animal in. he could have just said he shot it in deerfield county which is a 3 point side, but he shot it 100 yards from the county line which is basically a road, and the only reason it didnt make a true 7 or 8 point was due to the fact that its brow tines where 3/4 of an inch, and not a legal 1 inch which the commission officer put the tape to and reminded my friend no less than 12 times. in my opinion that was ridiculous
12-21-2009, 04:33 PM
#489
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
For the love of God would you people get Gary Alt, the old three day doe season and deer check stations out of your minds.
12-21-2009, 04:39 PM
#490
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
The 3 day doe season worked just fine from 1980 to 1997. We harvested more doe in 1988,1990,1991,1993,1994 1995 and 1997 with a 3 day season than we did in 2008 with a 2 week concurrent season, an early ML season ,an early jr/sr. season and an extended rifle season in 5C.
HMMMM three days of doe pinball and an obvious slaughter during those three days vs many weeks of hunter opportunity resulting in a similar harvest. Isn't hunter opportunity the real product we should expect when we buy a license?
Back then it was a doe shoot. Now it's a hunt. I'll take the hunt, thank you
