Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
10-27-2008, 07:42 AM
#361
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
If thats your view of what hunting is all about, may I suggest that you consider a high fence preserve? You will have sucesful hunts (by your definition) and you wouldn't have to give the PGC a dime. Perhaps if you talk to a local farmer, you could buy a cow or pig from him and shoot it yourself and have it butchered and consider yourself successful.
Your post also makes it easier for the rest of us to understand why you enjoy targeting button bucks. They are most certainly the easiest wild deer to kill and as you've agreed, you are all about the kill.
Your post also makes it easier for the rest of us to understand why you enjoy targeting button bucks. They are most certainly the easiest wild deer to kill and as you've agreed, you are all about the kill.
10-27-2008, 07:54 AM
#362
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
Your post also makes it easier for the rest of us to understand why you enjoy targeting button bucks. They are most certainly the easiest wild deer to kill and as you've agreed, you are all about the kill.
We haven't killed a BB since 2001,even though we hunted archery and rifle every year. That's because we never saw 3 BB in a group so we could pick out the third one.
10-27-2008, 08:26 AM
#363
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Not much inline pressure in our part of 2F
Just spent 2 1/2 days in and around ANF territory in 2F and saw three seniors with high powers but no inline guys except our group of 4. We have one with a peg leg and one with a bad heart so we did short hop drives along easy level areas near the roads and didn't run into a single othermuzzy hunter.
We put out deer on half the drives but two of the shot opportunities were bucks and two more shot opportunities weren't taken because the foliage made it tough to be certain that those deer weren't packing horns too.
A good hunt, no kills but plenty of sightingsand plenty of signin an area thats supposed to have no deer if you listen to the crowd at the local tavern.
The best buck we saw was an 8 point that probably went 105"-110"
The wind noise allowed me to walk up to within 15 yards of him while he fed.
Not much inline pressure in our part of 2F
Just spent 2 1/2 days in and around ANF territory in 2F and saw three seniors with high powers but no inline guys except our group of 4. We have one with a peg leg and one with a bad heart so we did short hop drives along easy level areas near the roads and didn't run into a single othermuzzy hunter.
We put out deer on half the drives but two of the shot opportunities were bucks and two more shot opportunities weren't taken because the foliage made it tough to be certain that those deer weren't packing horns too.
A good hunt, no kills but plenty of sightingsand plenty of signin an area thats supposed to have no deer if you listen to the crowd at the local tavern.
The best buck we saw was an 8 point that probably went 105"-110"
The wind noise allowed me to walk up to within 15 yards of him while he fed.
i was out FOX hunting in my yard last night,man, those FOX do come into a call, i am hooked now on FOX hunting.season opened yesterday .
as for why i saw more hunters this year with in-lines with kids in WMU2Gis this.
i happened to hunt with a school teacher friend from lock haven high school.
he said he had more kids off school thursday/friday this week vrs last year,do too the early oct doe hunting.
the reason is he said,THEY STOPPED THE DOE HUNTING IN WMU2G FOR FIRST WEEK OF DEER,so kids wanted their DEER JERKY
and were going to get it early.that is why the number of vehicles i saw road hunting was triple of what i saw last year grouse hunting.
i bet i stopped over 20 while hunting grouse or they stopped to ask me where are doe ?
i hunt along roads in culverts .so, i get to OBSERVE and TALK to a lot of hunters.in almost every vehicle the rifles/in-lines were at ready in front seat.
MANY said this is how they kill their GROUSE/SQUIRREALS.
remember i said,TO kill today in WMU2G ,you have to cover territory.
the hunters are not stupid, they are good at killing and are not wasting their time walking around NOT SEEING ANYTHING.like SPROULE
i happen to interview a hunter that was at camp in clinton county for a WEEK of doe hunting.
he said,SPROUL I SAW 3 DOE FOR 6 DAYS OF DOE HUNTING in the best area WHILE SITTING IN WOODS DAILY.
he moves around too,does not hit same spot as I DO each year.
this is first year,so far,that SPROULE has not seen a BUCK.
NOT A ACORN ALSO.
a DCNR friend,yes, i have some friends in DCNR but they have grit.
he told me he is seeing very few large racks this year ,compared to last 2 years.
he said 2 years ago, big racks but very few this year in wmu2g,clinton/potter/cameron.
only people i feel are getting a deer ,is the road hunters that are doing it from 6 am to dark daily, they are really working hard to get a doe.[:@]
a friend told me he has 2 doe left in his hunting territory,yet he said he had PICTURES on his trailcamof 5 different hunters in that area with IN-LIUNES trying to kill those last 2 doe.
he said he cant understand why hunters will hunt until all doe are gone.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ALSO AND ITS SIMPLE.
meat/filling cost of tag is what is important now.
ALSO, WE DID CATCH A POACHER,but only could get him for spotlighting after hrs.did you notice that most hunters are afraid to turn in a POACHER as they could burn your home down
yes, i get those comments also.folks, we got to start taking their guns away when this happens and vehicle too.
lets get active and get our reps to get togher, new updates are a little tougher but not enough.[:@]
if INFO i am getting is true,POACHING is happening do to meat prices.[:@]
so, there it is.this ,so far, is WORST year i have had hunting in WMU2G
10-27-2008, 05:26 PM
#364
Typical Buck
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Central PA
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
Hey Sproul,
I managed to get my first Grey Fox with the bow the other night. If I wasn't so computer illiterate I would be able to figure out how to upload it here.Iwant to remove my name from the tag and I will try to upload it.
I managed to get my first Grey Fox with the bow the other night. If I wasn't so computer illiterate I would be able to figure out how to upload it here.Iwant to remove my name from the tag and I will try to upload it.
10-27-2008, 05:38 PM
#365
Typical Buck
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
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Ok, I think this worked. I've been hunting coyotes for the past year so far I haven't had much success but thisfox came running to the rabbit squeal just before dark. 25 yd shot as he was moving to get downwind of me. This is the 3rd one I've seen this year already.
Ourkids tried to save a small bunny from the cat this summer, it didn't work of course. He is at the freeze drier's nowso he and the fox will be mounted together. If the cat keeps killing stuff and leaving it on the porch hemay be next.
Ok, I think this worked. I've been hunting coyotes for the past year so far I haven't had much success but thisfox came running to the rabbit squeal just before dark. 25 yd shot as he was moving to get downwind of me. This is the 3rd one I've seen this year already.
Ourkids tried to save a small bunny from the cat this summer, it didn't work of course. He is at the freeze drier's nowso he and the fox will be mounted together. If the cat keeps killing stuff and leaving it on the porch hemay be next.
10-27-2008, 07:18 PM
#366
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2008
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
I've been trading e-mails with someone who is allowing us to hunt on a property in northern Clinton County (2G). This particular area apparently has a decent population of deer (more than the 10+- we are used to there). Unfortunately someone illegally killed a large buck there recently, cut off the head, and left the body. I'm sure a lot more are illegally killed in 2G, as it has a low human population. We used to hear a lot of shooting on Sunday night before the buck season opener when there was a lot of deer there.
10-27-2008, 08:57 PM
#367
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 147
RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
ORIGINAL: sproulman
i was out FOX hunting in my yard last night,man, those FOX do come into a call, i am hooked now on FOX hunting.season opened yesterday .
as for why i saw more hunters this year with in-lines with kids in WMU2Gis this.
i happened to hunt with a school teacher friend from lock haven high school.
he said he had more kids off school thursday/friday this week vrs last year,do too the early oct doe hunting.
the reason is he said,THEY STOPPED THE DOE HUNTING IN WMU2G FOR FIRST WEEK OF DEER,so kids wanted their DEER JERKYand were going to get it early.
that is why the number of vehicles i saw road hunting was triple of what i saw last year grouse hunting.
i bet i stopped over 20 while hunting grouse or they stopped to ask me where are doe ?i hunt along roads in culverts .so, i get to OBSERVE and TALK to a lot of hunters.
in almost every vehicle the rifles/in-lines were at ready in front seat.
MANY said this is how they kill their GROUSE/SQUIRREALS.
remember i said,TO kill today in WMU2G ,you have to cover territory.
the hunters are not stupid, they are good at killing and are not wasting their time walking around NOT SEEING ANYTHING.like SPROULE
i happen to interview a hunter that was at camp in clinton county for a WEEK of doe hunting.
he said,SPROUL I SAW 3 DOE FOR 6 DAYS OF DOE HUNTING in the best area WHILE SITTING IN WOODS DAILY.
he moves around too,does not hit same spot as I DO each year.
this is first year,so far,that SPROULE has not seen a BUCK.
NOT A ACORN ALSO.
a DCNR friend,yes, i have some friends in DCNR but they have grit.
he told me he is seeing very few large racks this year ,compared to last 2 years.
he said 2 years ago, big racks but very few this year in wmu2g,clinton/potter/cameron.
only people i feel are getting a deer ,is the road hunters that are doing it from 6 am to dark daily, they are really working hard to get a doe.[:@]
a friend told me he has 2 doe left in his hunting territory,yet he said he had PICTURES on his trailcamof 5 different hunters in that area with IN-LIUNES trying to kill those last 2 doe.
he said he cant understand why hunters will hunt until all doe are gone.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ALSO AND ITS SIMPLE.
meat/filling cost of tag is what is important now.
ALSO, WE DID CATCH A POACHER,but only could get him for spotlighting after hrs.did you notice that most hunters are afraid to turn in a POACHER as they could burn your home downyes, i get those comments also.
folks, we got to start taking their guns away when this happens and vehicle too.
lets get active and get our reps to get togher, new updates are a little tougher but not enough.[:@]
if INFO i am getting is true,POACHING is happening do to meat prices.[:@]
so, there it is.this ,so far, is WORST year i have had hunting in WMU2G
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Not much inline pressure in our part of 2F
Just spent 2 1/2 days in and around ANF territory in 2F and saw three seniors with high powers but no inline guys except our group of 4. We have one with a peg leg and one with a bad heart so we did short hop drives along easy level areas near the roads and didn't run into a single othermuzzy hunter.
We put out deer on half the drives but two of the shot opportunities were bucks and two more shot opportunities weren't taken because the foliage made it tough to be certain that those deer weren't packing horns too.
A good hunt, no kills but plenty of sightingsand plenty of signin an area thats supposed to have no deer if you listen to the crowd at the local tavern.
The best buck we saw was an 8 point that probably went 105"-110"
The wind noise allowed me to walk up to within 15 yards of him while he fed.
Not much inline pressure in our part of 2F
Just spent 2 1/2 days in and around ANF territory in 2F and saw three seniors with high powers but no inline guys except our group of 4. We have one with a peg leg and one with a bad heart so we did short hop drives along easy level areas near the roads and didn't run into a single othermuzzy hunter.
We put out deer on half the drives but two of the shot opportunities were bucks and two more shot opportunities weren't taken because the foliage made it tough to be certain that those deer weren't packing horns too.
A good hunt, no kills but plenty of sightingsand plenty of signin an area thats supposed to have no deer if you listen to the crowd at the local tavern.
The best buck we saw was an 8 point that probably went 105"-110"
The wind noise allowed me to walk up to within 15 yards of him while he fed.
i was out FOX hunting in my yard last night,man, those FOX do come into a call, i am hooked now on FOX hunting.season opened yesterday .
as for why i saw more hunters this year with in-lines with kids in WMU2Gis this.
i happened to hunt with a school teacher friend from lock haven high school.
he said he had more kids off school thursday/friday this week vrs last year,do too the early oct doe hunting.
the reason is he said,THEY STOPPED THE DOE HUNTING IN WMU2G FOR FIRST WEEK OF DEER,so kids wanted their DEER JERKY
and were going to get it early.that is why the number of vehicles i saw road hunting was triple of what i saw last year grouse hunting.
i bet i stopped over 20 while hunting grouse or they stopped to ask me where are doe ?
i hunt along roads in culverts .so, i get to OBSERVE and TALK to a lot of hunters.in almost every vehicle the rifles/in-lines were at ready in front seat.
MANY said this is how they kill their GROUSE/SQUIRREALS.
remember i said,TO kill today in WMU2G ,you have to cover territory.
the hunters are not stupid, they are good at killing and are not wasting their time walking around NOT SEEING ANYTHING.like SPROULE
i happen to interview a hunter that was at camp in clinton county for a WEEK of doe hunting.
he said,SPROUL I SAW 3 DOE FOR 6 DAYS OF DOE HUNTING in the best area WHILE SITTING IN WOODS DAILY.
he moves around too,does not hit same spot as I DO each year.
this is first year,so far,that SPROULE has not seen a BUCK.
NOT A ACORN ALSO.
a DCNR friend,yes, i have some friends in DCNR but they have grit.
he told me he is seeing very few large racks this year ,compared to last 2 years.
he said 2 years ago, big racks but very few this year in wmu2g,clinton/potter/cameron.
only people i feel are getting a deer ,is the road hunters that are doing it from 6 am to dark daily, they are really working hard to get a doe.[:@]
a friend told me he has 2 doe left in his hunting territory,yet he said he had PICTURES on his trailcamof 5 different hunters in that area with IN-LIUNES trying to kill those last 2 doe.
he said he cant understand why hunters will hunt until all doe are gone.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ALSO AND ITS SIMPLE.
meat/filling cost of tag is what is important now.
ALSO, WE DID CATCH A POACHER,but only could get him for spotlighting after hrs.did you notice that most hunters are afraid to turn in a POACHER as they could burn your home down
yes, i get those comments also.folks, we got to start taking their guns away when this happens and vehicle too.
lets get active and get our reps to get togher, new updates are a little tougher but not enough.[:@]
if INFO i am getting is true,POACHING is happening do to meat prices.[:@]
so, there it is.this ,so far, is WORST year i have had hunting in WMU2G
I have some bad news for ole Sproule. Unit 2G has one less doe then it had a week ago.
I had a couple of DMAP permits so on Tuesday morning, my day off, I headed out to a spot on a 2G DMAP property. I had a stand of oaks in mind that I wanted to hike into and see if there were any deer feeding in them. I was less then half way to the oaks and less then a fifteen minutes from my vehicle when I spotted two deer feeding along toward some think laurel. The front one was a large adult doe that made the mistake of walking into an opening about 60 yards away. When I removed her jawbone it turned out that she was a 3 ½ year old.
I went out the next evening, as soon as I got off duty at 5:00. That hunt was in unit 2F though. It took me an hour and five minutes to harvest that adult DMAP doe there and the first half hour of that time was the bicycle trip in to where I actually wanted to hunt. That doe was 4 ½ years old.
Your right about the poaching problems though, it does seem to be worse this year then I have seen in a while. What I am seeing though are guys that can’t seem to resist the temptation of the nice bucks they are seeing.
Dick Bodenhorn
10-28-2008, 09:19 AM
#368
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RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
Thats doubtful Rsb. Especially since there are so many fewer.
Id imagine the slobs are just poaching them because there are so few and they dont want to compete with all the other hunters in season. Same reason some idiot put poison out down here on gamelands 111 to kill coyotes, afraid theyd get some of the few deer left. It was after Christmas and apparently they didnt expect any hunters with dogs. Thats just what happened. A guys two bird dogs got into it, his dogs were poisoned when they ate the"bait"and it made the paper.
No good excuse for that, or the poaching, butjust a few Pgc inducedmaleffects of the extreme deer program.
"Your right about the poaching problems though, it does seem to be worse this year then I have seen in a while."
Maybe a new Wco is needed that can actually curtail these crimes against our resources instead of having them increasing out of control in the area spoken of? Perhaps what should be "common sense" would be stricter wco performance evaluations?
Id imagine the slobs are just poaching them because there are so few and they dont want to compete with all the other hunters in season. Same reason some idiot put poison out down here on gamelands 111 to kill coyotes, afraid theyd get some of the few deer left. It was after Christmas and apparently they didnt expect any hunters with dogs. Thats just what happened. A guys two bird dogs got into it, his dogs were poisoned when they ate the"bait"and it made the paper.
No good excuse for that, or the poaching, butjust a few Pgc inducedmaleffects of the extreme deer program.
"Your right about the poaching problems though, it does seem to be worse this year then I have seen in a while."
Maybe a new Wco is needed that can actually curtail these crimes against our resources instead of having them increasing out of control in the area spoken of? Perhaps what should be "common sense" would be stricter wco performance evaluations?
10-28-2008, 09:48 AM
#369
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 8,167
RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
ORIGINAL: Cornelius08
Thats doubtful Rsb. Especially since there are so many fewer.
Id imagine the slobs are just poaching them because there are so few and they dont want to compete with all the other hunters in season. Same reason some idiot put poison out down here on gamelands 111 to kill coyotes, afraid theyd get some of the few deer left. It was after Christmas and apparently they didnt expect any hunters with dogs. Thats just what happened. A guys two bird dogs got into it, his dogs were poisoned when they ate the"bait"and it made the paper.
No good excuse for that, or the poaching, butjust a few Pgc inducedmaleffects of the extreme deer program.
"Your right about the poaching problems though, it does seem to be worse this year then I have seen in a while."
Maybe a new Wco is needed that can actually curtail these crimes against our resources instead of having them increasing out of control in the area spoken of? Perhaps what should be "common sense" would be stricter wco performance evaluations?
Thats doubtful Rsb. Especially since there are so many fewer.
Id imagine the slobs are just poaching them because there are so few and they dont want to compete with all the other hunters in season. Same reason some idiot put poison out down here on gamelands 111 to kill coyotes, afraid theyd get some of the few deer left. It was after Christmas and apparently they didnt expect any hunters with dogs. Thats just what happened. A guys two bird dogs got into it, his dogs were poisoned when they ate the"bait"and it made the paper.
No good excuse for that, or the poaching, butjust a few Pgc inducedmaleffects of the extreme deer program.
"Your right about the poaching problems though, it does seem to be worse this year then I have seen in a while."
Maybe a new Wco is needed that can actually curtail these crimes against our resources instead of having them increasing out of control in the area spoken of? Perhaps what should be "common sense" would be stricter wco performance evaluations?
And had this happened to my dogs his very well being would be questionable.
And making personal attacks against a fellow hunter whom you don't happen to agree with shows nothing more than an uneducated, inability to debate an issue on its merits.
I have no good words for the P.G.C. or its deer program but personal attacks do no more than devalue your argument.
You should think of yourselves as better than that.
10-28-2008, 12:18 PM
#370
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 48
RE: Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
Yes no sense in attacking Bodenhorn. He does his job, as evidenced by the WCO Reports in the PON.
I've been noticing, on all the boards I frequent but one, where the anti-PGC folks are pretty much kept in check through banning, that hunter dissatisfaction seems to be erupting to a higher level this year. Perhaps the personal attacks are just an indicator as to the degree of frustration some folks are feeling towards this deer program.
I've been noticing, on all the boards I frequent but one, where the anti-PGC folks are pretty much kept in check through banning, that hunter dissatisfaction seems to be erupting to a higher level this year. Perhaps the personal attacks are just an indicator as to the degree of frustration some folks are feeling towards this deer program.