Pa Game Comm. Overhaul
#301
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879

This quote is from a 2005 PGN article.
That certainly has changed since the new deer plan was implemented.
According to license sales, the number of people who hunt in Pennsylvania has remained relatively stable, with only a slight decline since 1980. Survey data indicates that the vast majority of Pennsylvania hunters are generally quite avid, meaning that they hunt every year. More than half (58%) are hunting just about as much as they have over the past five years, and 17 percent said that they've been hunting more.
#302

ORIGINAL: bluebird2
This quote is from a 2005 PGN article.
That certainly has changed since the new deer plan was implemented.
This quote is from a 2005 PGN article.
According to license sales, the number of people who hunt in Pennsylvania has remained relatively stable, with only a slight decline since 1980. Survey data indicates that the vast majority of Pennsylvania hunters are generally quite avid, meaning that they hunt every year. More than half (58%) are hunting just about as much as they have over the past five years, and 17 percent said that they've been hunting more.
#303

ORIGINAL: sproulman
Have hunted now 48 hrs in Pa andmy deer count has risen from 1 doe to 3 doe, actually 1 adult doe and 2 yearling doe.
"dont tell ANYONE where you were, or those young doe are history.
thats how bad it has gotten here in clinton/potter/cameron counties.[:@]"
Have hunted now 48 hrs in Pa andmy deer count has risen from 1 doe to 3 doe, actually 1 adult doe and 2 yearling doe.
"dont tell ANYONE where you were, or those young doe are history.
thats how bad it has gotten here in clinton/potter/cameron counties.[:@]"
#304
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879

LOL The deer plan was implemented well before that article so you just contradicted yourself.
#307
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195

ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
You don't realize how true that is. When I told people what I had seen, they asked "where at?". I sat on the first day of muzzleloader and heard a total of3 shots from 5:30 AM to 10:30 AM and then 2 shots from 3 PM till dark. I hunt in a valley where the sound of a door slamming echoes, yet I heard so little shooting???? A friend (who hasn't seen anything yet this season) and myself went scouting this past Sunday. We walked at least 5 1/2miles and found 4 rubs and 3 scrapes. The sad thing is this has been the most productive scouting effort since early August.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
Have hunted now 48 hrs in Pa andmy deer count has risen from 1 doe to 3 doe, actually 1 adult doe and 2 yearling doe.
"dont tell ANYONE where you were, or those young doe are history.
thats how bad it has gotten here in clinton/potter/cameron counties.[:@]"
Have hunted now 48 hrs in Pa andmy deer count has risen from 1 doe to 3 doe, actually 1 adult doe and 2 yearling doe.
"dont tell ANYONE where you were, or those young doe are history.
thats how bad it has gotten here in clinton/potter/cameron counties.[:@]"
i was out today in clinton county, i saw 5 road hunters and 2 hunting deer in woods for about 12 miles area.
i did see 1 doe along road, road hunter saw me and was afraid to shoot.
i was going to blow my truck horn

i did see 3 grouse,1 in road and 2 in woods hunting.
yet, in my yard last night i had 3 bucks, 3 doe and 2 fawns,2 fox.
i may send my picture to btb so he can put the buck fight on here for us, that spike buck was kicking that 7 points butt

#308
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195

ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You have absolutely nothing to support that claim but your very biased opinion and it doesn't explain the decline in junior license sales.
You have absolutely nothing to support that claim but your very biased opinion and it doesn't explain the decline in junior license sales.
junior lic holders here in my area of clinton ,i feel are up from a few years ago.
i see very few in woods hunting,i saw about 6 last year yet i know there are at least 50 in my area that got lic.
i see dads in woods riding around or walking .very few kids in woods.

#309

I have been out since my last post and have seen a doelast night and tonight as well. Both times it was at dark and both of these places were different areas that I hadn't hunted yet this season. I feel better now that I have seen something but seeing these few deer after the hours I spent and miles I walked scouting is ridiculous. Oh well, I had 205 hours in the woods last season before I shot a 120" 8 pointer, looks like I have an even longer season ahead of me this year. I saw alot more buck and doe last year and this year I have yet to see a buck but have found a few scrapes and alot of rubs in one "specific" area.
I'd like to see that video. I watched a drop tine spike buck beat up on a few buck in Ohio this year. He wouldn't face them head on but as soon as they turned he jab them in the side or in the tail. I am curious to see how his rack develops over the next 3 years. Might have to put him on the wall when he grows up.
I'd like to see that video. I watched a drop tine spike buck beat up on a few buck in Ohio this year. He wouldn't face them head on but as soon as they turned he jab them in the side or in the tail. I am curious to see how his rack develops over the next 3 years. Might have to put him on the wall when he grows up.
#310

ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You have absolutely nothing to support that claim but your very biased opinion and it doesn't explain the decline in junior license sales.
You have absolutely nothing to support that claim but your very biased opinion and it doesn't explain the decline in junior license sales.

Decline in junior license sales are due in a large part to the following.....
1. Growing anti-hunting sentiment in public, schools, etc.
2. Computers
3. Video games
4. Parents having to work longer to make ends meet
I have only just now found this thread, and I have NOT read very many posts, but a few that I did read, surely jumped out at me......

Insurance companies are permitted to assign risk potential for auto/deer collisions per geographic location in alignment with data gathered from previous history of said accidents in a given geographical area.
In other words......insurance companies win in the long run from us running into deer. There is no conspiracy here.
Is there an overharvest of deer in certain areas of the state? IMO, there probably is. There are not enough management units to do the job correctly. Unfortunately, our own ranks cried like little girls and ran the best guy we had out of Dodge before he could get everything he wanted in the management of our deer herd.
Instant gratification is the name of the game today. Every hunter wantsa perfectly balanced herd, that is HUGE enough to take a buck and a doe in a matter of minutes. It just doesn`t work that way.
I can remember hunting in northern PA at our family camp in the very early 70`s........it was nothing to see 30-100 deer per day. If I added up the total amount of antler on every buck sighted, I could probably come up with 50 inchs of bone. Average body weight was probably 80 pounds.
Yep, the PGC needs changes.......they need to move forward with Alts plans, which includes more and smaller management areas.
Get antlerless season OUT of regular buck season too.
Deer check stations..........there are others among us who hunt many states per year too, and as one of those people, I have talked to wardens in many states about deer management issues.
Check stations seem to be no more accurate than our report card method.
The example was given regarding Illinois, and going to phone in system. I have seen no changes there........some folks just do not report their deer kills, regardless of reporting mehtod.
Being a lifelong resident of PA, I feel we have 2 problems here that severely hamper our ability to have the herd that PA is capable of producing..........
1. Sheer number of hunters
2. Rampant poaching, and the apathy that surrounds it.
See a poacher.....turn him in. I don`t care if it is your brother or father. And if he needs to feed his family, he should sell his weapon, put that money in the gas tank, and go find a job instead of spending time in the field.
Okay, I will read some posts now.......
