Crossbows introduced for regular archery season in PA
 

From Sundays Pittsburgh Tribune review

First of all, I'm amazed that this topic hasn't been posted sooner. Maybe it's not quite the hot button it once was....

At one time I was adamantly opposed to their use in regular archery season but I'm backing away from that position due to a lack of evidence that it has negatively impacted season lenghth or tag allocationsanywhere it's been used.

What IS disturbing is the part of the article where it says that the pressure to expand crossbow use isn't coming from hunters. The article impliesthat the driving force here seems to be coming purely from commercial interests. If that's the case, thats simply wrong! (before the USP crowd screams about timber company influence being no worse etc etc,timber comapniesare landowners who provide deer habitat. They do have a stake in deer management and seasons. Crossbow manufacturers do not provide anything but a product for hunters. There's a big difference there.

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I still oppose the use of crossbows during the general archery season in this state. The woods are already too crowded. There is plenty of opportunity to use a X-bowunder the current seasons.

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Can only recall a handful of "regular"people asking for broader xbow use, at PGC meetings over the past several years.

Manufacturers and reps, on the other hand, have been showing up for years demanding xbow use in archery seasons. One year three signed up in order. The first one came down and spoke while holding a bow. Second one came down to speak while the first one stayed there, third one came down, other two stayed behind himholding a bow and maybe a xbow?...great use of "visual aids" in a presentation.

Another time, Tom Fegely's wife spoke about the great opportunities xbows reprepresented for those who cannot master a recurve, longbow or compound. She neglected to mention she was also a xbow manufacturer's rep.

One guy comes every Jan. to rail and rant about the unfair advantages archers have at the best bucks, demands xbows be legalized for archery seasons and that archery seasons be shortened. Each year his rants become more rediculous and off the wall.

Wonder if he'll still demand shorter bowseasons, if xbows are allowed?

My personal opinion, is that archers worked long and hard to get their own season. Most are dedicated enough to become the best archers they can be. I see no reason to "cheapen" the experience by allowing something that can be mastered fairly easily by most people, in comparision to mastering an actual bow.

Supposedly Ohio has not had a problem with higher "bow" kills allowing xbows. But if PA archery seasonkills rise appreciably due to more xbows, doubt things would stay the same here.

That "They have an unfair advantage" train of thought expressed by many non-archery hunters, makes no sense to me. If someone wants to get out early and get first crack at the bucks, let 'em learn to use a bow like everyone else has done here for years. If you have a physical impairment and can't shoot a bow, it's already legal to use a xbow with a permit.

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PA is so far behind on hunting issues it is ridiculous, This argument about how you practice and xbows don't, and it is unfair is all a bunch of crap.That is exactly whyPA hasno Sunday hunting as most neighboring states do, also why thehunting population is decreasing in PA. Wonder if you all felt the same when you went from recurves to compounds.
Fact of the matter is a xbow is no more effective than the shooter, the territory and the deer in it's sights. It all comes back to scouting, hiuntng stand and wind placement. If the deer ain't there you can't shoot it.Half the dimwits who climb a tree w/ a compound don't practice until the wek before season. In this day and age very few people haver the time todedicate and willingness to dedicate to shooting archery. Do you think it might save some trophy's if it was easier for old Phil to shoot a Xbow then try and control a compound?

Oh by the way, I hunt 3 states, I hunt xbow and compound and have just started picking up a recurve again. In the states that allow xbow they coincide nicely w/ all other stringed weapons. Of the trophy's and or category that is documented by some authority you will not see the xbow having anymore records than the compound. If you really do your homework you will see the ranges of kills are in the same general area. We better stop bickering w/ our different disciplines and concentrate on a real enemy (PGC, Obammy, PETA) instead of our own ideas of what is and isn't fair in the woods!

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Well said, lets focous on how much we enjoy the outdoors in our own way. remember Jim Zumbo and the mess he got into commenting on the "black gun" and how it should be outlawed? Ted Nugent set him straight on that. I also own a compound as well as a crossbow, tend to use the compound more because its lighter but thats my choice as it should be. Second Amendment ( teds version) you should be able to kill your own dinner, and eat it too. however you do it enjoy it wile it lasts, divided you can be concored. those of us that archery hunt in Ohio stand as one. you should have the option of taking what you want hunting without getting a doctors note.

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My biggest concern with introducing the crossbow for the able bodied is that itis at least percieved as easier to use is that some hunters will go out and buy one and expect to shoot it for an hour or two and then hunt deer with it. Not that that doesnt happen occasionally with compounds but IMHO the problem would be bigger if xbows were legal. I definitely would not support their introduction without mandatory bowhunter ed, something we already ought to have anyway for both compound and traditional hunters.

Hopefully, mandatory bowhunter ed would weed out those who would buy an xbow simply as a shortcut into a challenging method of hunting. We don't need one day wonders out there potentially wounding deer and makinga great sportlook bad.

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I'm not sure where I land on this one. I am usually all for anything that allows more people to hunt and in different ways.I don't know why I am on the fence on this one.

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I'm on the fence as well. What you said about supporting any hunting opportunity has merit but Rybo's point that the archery season aint exactly a lonely timein much of our woods is valid too. The biggest worryI have is that there will be no going back once it's done. That being said, I just don't see the doomsday for our season that I once believed would come with the xbow. Yes PA is somewhat different in hunter numbers than some states that have them but are we really that different?

My jury is hung 50/50 on this one.

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Is there any plus side to this? Just asking.

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........I don't know either. I just remember the screaming, wailing and gnashing of teeth when the compound was introduced. It was predicted that it would be the total downfall of archery and anyone with one was certain to kill a deer.
Uhhhh....didn't happen......

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You're showing your age there Pawildman! Only those of us getting long in the tooth can remember those times

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I know the pros & cons and effective ranges of X-bows, but I don’t feel that everyone who enters the woods with one will. Case in point. Guy I work with is pondering buying a Xbow to hunt with because of his perceived ease at doing so. He doesn’t want to have to track a deer, and he wants the Xbow for its knockdown power?! You’ve GOT to be kidding me?! You will have hundreds more like him if they are introduced into the general archery season. And yes I tried to tell him how bows & Xbows actually kill by bleeding, but he thought he knew more than me.

My contention is not about denying people opportunities to hunt, but preserving what little quality time afield is left in this state. Already experiencing a unit with Xbows legal thru out the general archery season, I know first hand the surge in hunter numbers from it. I don’t want that all over the state. I say after the gun season ends, give it a week then bring back in bows, xbows & flintlock season again for a longer period of time, rather than waiting to after Xmas. That would give a lot more opportunity for people at a time when the woods can handle it. (meaning they wouldn’t be WAY overcrowded) We have too many hunters to support the influx of Xbowers in the general archery season. Plain and simple to me.

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..........Yeah....I guess you're right. Short time memory retention can be a problem sometimes, but I can sure remember back to the "good old days" OK, it seems......

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Your point about the false perceptions of the xbow attracting the wrong people are right on IMHO. I wouldn't want to see them without mandatory bowhunter ed. That alone will deter the Joe six pack types looking for an easy way to shoot another deer. We all know at least one of those who has gone to the doc and got his xbow permit based on a sore elbow or some other lame BS excuse.

I would also be OK with them getting their own season and it would be a good way to evaluate the impact before letting them into real bow season.

As you know, I hunt 2B a lot too and I havent personally seen an explosion of xbow use but I don't presume to say it aint happening in some spots. A lot of my 2B hunting is on private ground that I don't have to share with many.

Overall, even the parts of 2B that I hunt that are open tothe publichas seen a substantial drop in hunting pressure in both archery and gun season and the deer are still there. Havent seen many crossbows there either but as I said before, one mans observations don't mean much in the big picture and myexperience may or may not be applicable to the whole WMU. It sounds like your experience has been quite different. That makes the idea of caution and starting out with a seperate season make sense.

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yea the PGC goes ultra conservative for other seasons(archery bear). Jumping straight to a full Xbow would fly in the face of what they normally do.

Yea I know things can vary a great deal. In my other hunting spots, many things people observe I have never seen. And vice versa. I actually think there would be a larger spike in the influx of hunters in the rest of the state because there is much more accessable land compared to SRA's. I'd hope I'd be wrong, but I am not willing to gamble that chance.

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I think we've all heard guys talk about the misconceptions of the xbow. Most people think they have a greatly extended shooting range over the compound bow, need less practice, etc... I guess that's where my hangup is as well.

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I'm saying you probably would see an intital influx, but hunting is hunting. Deer, aim , shoot! 1st got to find that deer. I am not convinced by overcrowding If that is the case then the deer are probably not there anyhow. I am not convinced by the shooting practice ethics as I can match story for story w/compounds, recurves, rifles , etc.
If you look at the people on this forum and probably most of our peer friends/hunters we go above and beyond the usual hunting scheme. I spend a ton of time preparing, studying, reading and practicing the sport I love. I'd like to beleive most or the majority put in hours but sadly I don't think that happens.I quit bow hunting for a while because I could not give the timeI needed.I've tracked those deer Life today, is too fast and demanding for that commitment, you have to give things up to do it right. Open the season, forget the" I want " mentality and let's hunt.

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They've admitted the bow season will most likely be shortened with the introduction of x-bows.

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I'm not going to get drawn into a gigantic debate over this thing again but will only say that I will NEVER be in favor of X-Bows in the regular archery season and will lay out how I feel about it one big fat rant.

You want to see 270,000 Bowhunters turn into what?.......maybe 5-600,000 "Bowhunters" in a shorter season?
There's a win win huh? We'll start Oct 1st or so be done by 3rd week in Oct, lose the rut and every Remington 760 toting yeehaw will be scrambling for any crossbow they can afford.
Oh yeah.......and we'll be wearing orange while we do it.[:o]

You guys in crossbow states currently have ZERO clue what PA is truly like. Spend a lifetime hunting here as a resident on anything but a family owned posted to the gills property and you'll understand why this is a bad idea.

And this comes from a guy who is a rep for a company currently producing 2 of the most advanced and currently the most powerful crossbow on the market.
You guys who think rifle hunters are going to take a close up archery style mentality into the woods with them are BONKERS. :eek:Have you shot a new Bowtech Stryker? I can clank bolts together at 75 yards and still over 350fps at that range.

This is NOT archery hunting fellas and I don't really want to hear the crap about compounds being not much less than a crossbow. I shoot both.(Hell I shoot EVERYTHING.....flintlock, inline, rifle, pistol, compound and longbow and recurve)
There is no comparison to a bow you must draw, and hold back (I don't care about let off either, you still must draw and physically hold the bow out and there is a finite amout of time it can be done) VS cocking a 350-400fps weapon and resting it on a shooting stick until you flip the safety off look through the scope and shoot.

I can go on and on and on..........this united we stand devided we fall crap doesn't fly in this case, it doesn't. It's not a bow and is not an equal.......Crossbows do not fit in a season and state where we have the numbers of particpants that we do already sharing the same 2 months. We have small game seasons, turkey season, youth rifle season a week long early muzzleloader season all already cutting into the archery season and flooding the woods with people.
You do NOT want archery season turned into something resembling our general firearms season in the name of "Lets not bicker amongst ourselves" Don't get fooled into that logic.

It's hard enough to find any peace in what should be a peaceful season, so lets most likely double that participation in one season and see what happens?

If shooting a compound is so friggin easy.......that's the big argument. Compounds are so technoligically advanced and simple to master then put the 760 down and pick up a compound and give it a whirl, then pick up a scoped 350-400fps crossbow and tell me how they compare.
If a crossbow is NOT a bow, not held by hand,or drawn by handthen it doesn't belong in an ARCHERY SEASON forsame reason a rifle or pistol doesn't.
IF you want to participate in the archery season simply pick up one of these super easy to learn and master compounds I keep hearing about and welcome aboard. I can be the first person you seek for advice.
How can someone in favor of crossbows use the argument that a compound is so much like a crossbow.......I've even heard people say a compound is EASIER>[:-]LOL If that's the case pick one up and show me how easy it is. Why do you need to have your 175# 400fps shooting cocked and locked crossbow if my compound is so easy to use?

Crossbows might be a viable TOOL for management in a state where there are low hunter numbers yadda yadda but PA is, has been and always will be THE single most dysfunctional state in the country with respect to its hunting regulations, population and the general mindset of the hunters within it's boundaries. YOU simply cannot use ANY state as a model for what will happen here. It's a zoo now so lets screw it up even further if we can.

So who's with me!? Yes PA Game Commission please , please allow us to add another couple hundred thousand don't have the skill to use a "Simple" compound hunters to our season and while you are at it feel free to shorten it by 2-4 weeks to compensate and while you are at it can we also wear 250 square inches of orange too? I can't get enough of an orange blob behind every tree having to "Get their buck" for 2 weeks in December so please bring that joy to us a little earlier in the season where at least I won't be freezing my butt off. :eek:

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Darn, here i thought that Pennsylvania was just another state and not another planet[&:]

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good luck with that knowitall, we can all feel welcome in the Pa woods knowing your the only one witha hunter safety course under your belt. mabe you should come to the ZERO CLUE state and sell some more of your crossbows. company rep, wow do your bosses know about your issues with saleing there product? how many hunters have you insulted with your post? being a sportsman means getting along, and shareing the woodswith others. you already knew that right?

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I nominate Matt/Pa for "post of the year". Well spoken Matt.

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Typical my season, my deer, we're different and special here rant. Heard it before and actually have heard it done better. A little too much of the greed factor in that one. I will give hm credit though it flowed along very nicely. But then again most BS does.

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X2 That's what it really boils down to. They don't want anyone in "their woods" during "their season" shooting "their deer."

Bob

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Typically, "in our woods" during archery season is..
1. dove hunters
2.rabbit
3.grouse
4.turkey, with rifles too
5.senior rifle
6.muzzleloaders
7junior rifle
8. ringneck
9. trappers
10.woodcock
11.furbearers
12. coyote
I'm probably missing some too. Now you can understand why these guys are saying it's a little crowded in our woods during archery season.

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Since the harvest stats are nearly identical for compounds and xbows, what possible difference which a hunter chooses to use matter? The "we're different in........" is not getting the job bone, btw, in Mi or NJ at the present time.

That 405 fps Stryker is kinda the "Edsel" of xbows, btw. It weighs too much for most xbow hunters, can't be hand cocked, and comes w/ a red dot w/ 20-40-60 yd aim points. Lot's of resentment out there by xbow hunters that think 60 yds is WAY too far to shoot deer w/ archery tackle, and resent a vert bow company implying differently.

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Typically, "in our woods" during archery season is..
1. dove hunters
2.rabbit
3.grouse
4.turkey, with rifles too
5.senior rifle
6.muzzleloaders
7junior rifle
8. ringneck
9. trappers
10.woodcock
11.furbearers
12. coyote
Big revelation for you, we have all that an more. Hundreds upon thousands of dogs chasing deer all over. We also have an epidemic of illegal training of dogs on deer out of season or during bow season. Still none of this matters because an xbow it the same as a compound in regards to deer hunting.

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the sportsman/gunshows are prety crouded too should they be limited to who can attend? lets limit the attendance at the next turkey calling contest, or the next fishing tournament. too crouded for ya' dont hunt there. if you do hunt there when you see sombody say hey any luck, he or she bought the same licence to be there that you did. be friendly not angry like an anti-hunter.

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"And this comes from a guy who is a rep for a company currently producing 2 of the most advanced and currently the most powerful crossbow on the market. "

Well Matt/PA....all I can say is that if you are the best Bowtech can do for a rep then no wonder people are buying Mathews. You are as arrogant as you are ignorant and as a rep you should learn to keep your opinions to yourself. As far as PA huniting is concerned, why dont you walk along RT84 and pick up all the deer kills if you are that bad a hunter? I am quite sure that you have no idea that with all the talented archers out there that you can easily be replaced by Bowtech if you dont smarten up and represent the COMPANY, and not just the one aspect of it that you happen to have an interest in.

Wyvern

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The thing about all those small game hunters. trappers, etc.infesting the woods is that they dont seem to be near as much of a pain in the arse as a lot of deer hunters.:D

Pennsylvanie must really be different because everywhere else, the dove hunters are out out in the middle of cut fields in the middle of the day and dont have much to do with crowding thedeer hunters out in the woods.[&:]

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Rants and attitudes like this are exactly why I stoppped visiting the Archery forum. I hunt archery and rifle season and know the challenges both involve and I hate the elitist attitude from most, not all, archery guys!

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WELL SAID!!! this is the post of the year. perhaps a copy of your email that you sent to bowtech should go to PFG to see what kind of bias is fueling the anti-crossbow rage, BASELESS. the keystone state should have the option to go withwhatever stringed weapon they want. OHIO does and for many years now. I personally love the option of CHOICE, the AMERICAN way.:D

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I see the crossbow forum moved to the Northeast forum........I really don't care what you guys think. Honestly.

You have to spend a lifetime hunting here to understand PA. I am not willing to give up possibly weeks of precious bowhunting time in a state where we already cannot hunt on Sundays in favor of a weapon that simply needs to be sighted in like a gun, set on your lap ready to go like a gun, safety flipped off take aim and fire.

I'm sorry that this somehow offends all you pro crossbow guys who are currently selling them and using them elsewhere. They will not fit here in PA. If you don't live here you don't understand.

In my mind (and remember I have all the first hand experience I need with them) THEY ARE NOT a bow and they are not archery. So all the jumping up and down and calling me arrogant doesn't really mean a hill of beans. You don't like it because I have the exact 180 degree opposite view as you.
God forbid not everybody see things the way you crossbow guys do.


I'll say it again quite simply. We already have an archery season. If you want to participate by all means do a little research, come on out to the bow shop and get fitted for a bow. By all means come on over to my house and I'll teach you how to shoot it and welcome aboard.
If somehow tomorrow 200,000 more people pick up a compound bow and want to hunt this season, then oh well.......welcome aboard and welcome to archery.

The UBP and bowhunters in this state fought to get the archery season to be what it is currently (although being whittled away at year after year with new and creative oddball seasons mixed in)..........why on earth would we be in favor of something that is potentially going to take away that extra 2 weeks in Novemeber that we finally get to enjoy as archers and probably flood the woods with a weapon we don't see as ARCHERY?
Some of youguys don't understand and I simply don't care if you do. To you archery somehow includes a crossbow. To others like myself it does not. There is very little gray area on this one for PA bowhunters.

You're going to attack my integrity as an archery rep? Please....because I won't bow down to the usual crossbow arguments and banter and stand up for what I believe in suddenly I'm an arrogant know it all who is giving archery and Bowtech in general a bad name. LOL
I have helped and taught more people how to shoot a bow and arrow in my life than probably most of you guys will ever meet. You don't know me so don't pretend to assign a value to my integrity or my ability as an archery repbecause ofmy personal views of a crossbow based on 23 years of bowhunting PA's woods.

You guys are on one side of the fence, myself and many others are on the other. Plain and simple. We are fighting not to lose what we believe in as archers, you pro crossbow guys are simply fighting because you think you know whats right for this state and it "works" elsewhere or you use or sell them.

Don't kid yourselves, crossbows keep getting thrown at Pa archers for one reason and one reason only.........and it's not in the name of bringing more hunters into the ranks, it's not to help the deer management plan, it's not make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy. Its a $$$$$$$ windfall if it happens for crossbow manufacturers, bowshops right on down to your local WalMart.
These companies see major major dollar signs in these borders and that's a fact.

IF somehow the majority of PA bowhunters welcomed crossbows into the state based on a democtratic vote then I would stand corrected and admit I'm wrong, but if you polled 270,000 bowhunters in a state of 1,000,000 hunters and if anything less than 200,000 of those bowhunter absolutely did not want crossbows in PA I'd be SHOCKED beyond belief. But it won't come down to that, it will come down to a quick dog and pony show and gigantic $$$$

I don't understand the need for a few vocal crossbow supporters to keep telling us what PA wants and needs and can handle in this state. You the crossbow guys who understand what the weapon is and your self imposed limitations on what you think it should be to relate to archery will have ZERO bearing on Ricky rifle hunter who makes up the other 630,000 deer hunters in this state. THey will see another gun and treat it as such......hey now we can get first crack at a big buck too because all we have to do is head to the range once a year and make sure they're sighted in.
I can see the archery club now the night before the archery season opener.......guys lined up waiting for a bench to make sure their crossbows are sighted in and ready to go for the next day. That's rifle season now here and I don't want to see archery season become ANY shade of that.

Just handle the fact thatmost of us are never going to agree with your crossbow arguments and logic. NEVER. It's ok to not agree on things really.
If it works for you in OHIO or some other state then sweet, enjoy it and don't worry about what we want in Pa as bowhunters.

I simply don't want it here and I'm not alone, you guys just see an attack on your minority beliefs that you "Know" are right. Nothing wrong in that, it's human nature.

How many times can it be said.......we have an archery season, everyone is welcome to join in. We will welcome hundreds of thousands of new hunters in the woods if need be. All you have to do is pick up a bow. :eek:

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Why should you be able to express YOUR opinoins and I should have to keep my mouth shut?

I forgot, because I don't agree with the vocal minority.
By all means pleasewrite Bowtech if you feel like that's your duty and tha's what you need to do. You have no ability to discuss anything in a mature open forum beyond the usual crossbow arguments (no different than my not wanting them in PA arguments)so you'll take the 'I'll take my ball and go home" attitude and make it a crusade to smear me as a rep?
And now because there are some dead deer around on the shoulder of RT84 that's a valid argument for wanting crossbows in archery season? :eek:

Whatever works, whatever you need to do.
If nothing else,you guys have prompted me to renew my United Bowhunters of PA membership.

And guess what........(you shouldn't have to guess since you all have me figured out already)
I'm not ANTI crossbow. I like crossbows, think they are cool as all get out and a lot of fun to shoot. I may even use on this year in our general rifle season. (Not to shoot 100 yards either but because I CAN use it in that season)
We have a season where crossbows are already legal.........GUN season. You can use them for 2 straight weeks.
So let me say it again nice and clear for the reading comprehension challenged: I am not ANTI crossbow, how could I be? LOL
I simply do not want them classified as archery and in our general archery season in PA. I don't care if Ohio or Jabip usues them, if it works for you enjoy it. To me it's not archery and should stay in the season where it's currently legal to use them.

Why you guys see that as a personal attack on everything holy is beyond me, but hey whatever works for you.
LOL

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What are we working on a behind the scenes anti Matt/ PA email campaign because there is a lack of reading comprehension skills on HNI?

Maybe I'll spell it bigger for you. I AM NOT ANTI CROSSBOW.

If it could somehow go to a vote and it was offered as a choice and the archers of PA wanted crossbows as a majority then so be it. Democracy in action. But it AINT gonna happen. The majority do NOT want it and it will be
decided for us by the almighty dollar sign and couple suits on a hill somewhere. You see it as a "stringed weapon" worthy of archery season. If it works for OHIO, terrific enjoy it.
So in the meantime crucify a guy who doesn't believe that and is willing to say it.

If you guys want a list of email addresses to send your hate mail off to drop me a PM and I'll give you all of them if you want.I'm not just a rep, they're all friends and family and not one of them would have a problem with me speaking my mind on a subject I understand.

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To some extent this is kind of a moot point. C-bows will end up being used in PA as they are in a lot of other states.Eventually the follow-up studies and statistics willshow yet again that the anti-crossbow folks were wrong in their dire predictions. But, still good fun to see folks argue about it.

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If crossbows are introduced in PA the archery season will be cut back.
The PGC already stated that.
Doesn't matter what a person hunts most don't want to lose days.

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PGC stands for Pennsylvania Game Commission.
See Ohio........it will work just fine here.

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Gotta link? To date, no season has been shortened nor bag limits reduced due to xbow inclusion.

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you can find one mention of the season length in the latest edition of outdoor news.Other articles might go back a year or two when this topic was discussed before.
Matt,I realize Ohio has less hunters then us but do you have any info on the results of the affect on the harvest with crossbows in Ohio?