jf5

...then itseven further from Trophy mgt.

SteveBNy

AR has NOTHING to do with what QDM claims is "herd health".
If it is "herd healthy" to only take older bucks, why is it not "herd healthy" to pass on young does?
Are the genes a buck has when breeding at 1 1/2 any different when he is 3 1/2?

Want more bucks??? Find a way to stop the slaughter of button bucks - up to 1/3 of the deer shot as does every year are YOUNG (button)BUCKS!!

If all the supporters of mandatory AR who claim it is for "herd health" are serious, then they should be willing to use their buck tag on ANY buck they kill.
Propose the mandatory tagging of buttons with the one tag many AR people want (or even both if bow hunting) as a condition to AR and see where the support will go.

I let the little ones go but will fight to the end any attempt for statewide AR when all long term studies show it to be detrimential to the purported goals and the DEC is telling us it can't work statewide.

jf5 - one liners don't do much to support your position.

Steve

Charlie P

That's another thing I'm in favor of BB gets a buck tag, but don't know how it could be implemented.

jf5

We debated this two years ago, and AR topic has been beat to death. I have no desire to even discuss my position. Its a waste of time.

If you like to shoot spikes, god bless ya. If NY keeps it 3" rule, I don't care really. Shoot away.As long as its legal. I too see very few bucks, so I know what its like to want the opportunitys you have.

It just gets real old when its dismissed as just being for trophy hunters to show off, brag, etc. When its so much more than that. Thats not an arguement, its an insult to fellow hunters.No different than if some pro AR guy came here insulting me or you as being less of a hunter for shooting spike or forks.

And having a 3 or 4 point a side rule isn't trophy mgt. My "one liners" was to makle that point only. Not to debate a dead horse issue.

mlo31351270

Although I would be in favor of AR's, I think a one buck rule would be great. One buck for all season, from earlybow season through to late MZ season. If someone wants to smack a spike, go for it, you just spent your tag. Yes, BB's deserve a buck tag.

outdoorstom

You guys have really got me rethinking the one buck rule. To be honest, I have never really discussed that or thought it through. It definitely would make a person think twice before pulling the trigger. As far as having to burn your tag on a button buck, I don't think that's a good idea. People would be very reluctant to shoot does for fear of making a mistake.

SteveBNy

Read the rest of my thread.

Yes, it was done 2 years ago, 18 months ago, last year, and daily somewhere in the state. The rash of hunters shows featuring horn porn are making it a continuing issue. Some seem to think you aren't worthy as a hunter if you don't limit your hunting to what they define as a "shooter" (I hate that term) and want to make laws to support them. Your motives may very well be different, but one liners don't make/support a point - they are simply sound bites that add nothing to the discussion. Well supported presentations can and will change minds.
Want statewide changes? First, demonstrate they are needed statewide. Then be prpared to show the changes proposed will in fact do something positive for all and not hurt like they have in other states.

Steve

NiceAndBlue

SteveBNy

If they are indeed serious about increasing the "health" of the herd, they should embrace ANY protection of young bucks. While mistakes will happen and I have shot a few, you can learn to identify them rather easily. Education is the key.

Steve

outdoorstom

[quote]ORIGINAL: SteveBNy

If they are indeed serious about increasing the "health" of the herd, they should embrace ANY protection of young bucks. While mistakes will happen and I have shot a few, you can learn to identify them rather easily. Education is the key. SteveBNy


I agree a person can learn to identify them rather easily.Theirshort snout and small bodyare good indicators this may be a bb, A lot of times the first deer out into a field is a button buck...they seem to be a little braver at that age. Personally, I just wait for a big doe to show up, then I know for a fact I'm not making a mistake. I give the guys that hunt my property a little ribbing if they make a mistake. I cut off the buttons and put them on my "wall of shame" out in the shop.