Snort/Wheeze no good in PA?????
 

I was reading an article in the PA Game news yesterday, and the article this guy wrote says the buck roar and wheeze is no good. Now im not an expert on calling however I have had very good luck ratling and calling at time. Grunts, the can, rattle bag etc. I have the Buck Roar and used it a few times this season, with no luck yet. I chalked it up to the fact rut wont be here for a few weeks and the weather. Can anyone explain why the wheeze is no good in PA and good in other states? Im baffled.

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only thing i can think of is our rut isnt as intense as other areas due to the buck to doe ratio...BUT, i think we are getting closer and should start seeing better rutting activity. id say after halloween your call MIGHT work on some deer in some areas.

i might try calling this weekend if i goto the mountains. major cold snap and unpressured deer. my buddy that bowhunts up there sees alot of success from calling. not sure how early he calls...but i might try this weekend just rattling and grunting a bit...im running outta time..i wanna MAKE something happen...this cold snap aughta have deer moving...not saying rutting or seeking or chasing...but moving better...

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From what I have read and watched the roar is a dominance or challenge call not a curiosity call. Try waiting until the chase phase of the rut or when you see a dominant buck just looking for love or a fight

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What article was that? I read game news and don't recall it.

To effectively use the "roar" or snort wheeze calls, you need deer in the right time frame, and a very dominant buck nearby. It helps more if there are multiple bucks and a hot doe. Helps when the buck/doe ratio is good.
I would not use that call until the last couple days of october and on into november for a couple weeks.

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I heard the snort/wheeze a few times in 2007, as I was hunting in New Jersey, just 10 mins from the NJ/PA State line near Milford PA

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It was the newspaper one, not the little digest game news. The article was on calls. There was a brief desciption and review on the snort wheeze saying not to use it. I undderstand it is made for the rut, and big dominate bucks. And in PA will work best end of oct and beginning nov. Just wondered why this writer said it was no good in PA. What we dont have dominate bucks? or a rut? didnt make sense to me.

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It’s one writer’s opinion in one dinky magazine, its not gospel.
You should read this month’s game news, there’s a couple pretty good articles in there.

However he was probably referring to the general over abundance of does still in many areas coupled with few mature bucks. This leads to less intense competition for breeding rights, which leads to the less effectiveness of calling. And in those cases he’s right.
BUT in more and more places around this state the herd balance is getting more in line and calling is probably picking up its effectiveness more so than years past. You have to read your area. If you’ve got several mature bucks around, and not a whole lot of does, calling may work better, but you still have to make the right calls at the right times.

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Any time I've ever used aggressive type calls, the deer all ran away. The roar is one of those calls that only works in very specific situations, as Ryan the bowhunter stated previously.
I fell for the "fighting purr" gobbler call myself. The only thing guaranteed with that call is that you will see NO gobblers on the day you use it.
People call way too much IMO. The only call that has ever really worked for me is to tick the shaft of my arrow against the limb of my bow to simulate sparring. That has worked alot for me. Only problem is that all the bucks that came to it were small 1.5 year olds. But they did come in on a string.
People don't realize that deer know each other well and their rank in the herd also.

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Last year I used the buck roar on a 6pt that was passing my stand a bit too far for a shot. I knew there was a bigger buck in the area and saw him a couple of times. Apparently he knew it to casue as soon as I let out a short roar on the call, he took off like a scalded dog. He did circle back though but never came close enough for a shot.

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I've used the snort wheeze on a big buck about 3 years agoas a desperation call and the buck reacted to it by looking and standing there for a while but ended up just walking off.

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i bought a lohman snort call like 12 years ago. most times it sends them running.in rae cases it calms deer down that are already spooky. i can take my grunt tube and turn it backwards and say the word "SHOE" to replicate the snort sound. i only use it when i get a bunch of doe-s around me and i want to get out of the stand without letting them know im coming down out of the tree. one good snort and there gone usually. dont know about the wheeze part. i have never herd a deer make that sound in 31 years of hunting.

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I had a buck pass me by in rifle season three years agothrough some very thick brush and I could not get a shot. In desperation I snort wheezed with my mouth and to my suprise this buck came running through the brush right to me. Needless to say I filled my tag. This was in Berks County PA! I agree that you need to be in the right place at the right time and also have the right buck for this to work!

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I've only ever seen one PA buck snort wheeze in all my years hunting here. It was October 27 and he was really agitated at a hot doe that kept bedding down to avoid his advances. (He died about a minute later;))

I have, however seen many bucks snort wheeze and growl in Illinois where the buck doe ratio is closer to 1:1

Wherever you use them, aggressive calls like the snort wheeze and the buck roar aremost likely to be successful on the truly dominant bucks in the area. Subordinate bucks and does will often tuck tail and run when they hear this type of call. It may be best to keep itin your pocketunless you aretrulyonly looking for the "boss"

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I had a deer do that to me all day last Sunday in East Otto, NY. I was walking out to my ground blind about 4am in the dark (no flashlight as I knew I'd be walking through the deer heard in the field, unfortunately no other choice other then spending the night in the blind) and scared the crap out of me, cause I was probably about to step on the deer I guess cause it snort/wheezed like it was 2 ft in front of me. Damn it scared the crap out of me, that and walking in total darkness and hearing foot falls running through the leave all around you is a bit disconcerting anyway. So in the after noon we were walking back into the woods to get in our climbers and off in the distance same snort/wheeze and yet a third time sort of stalking back to a location for a evening spot to hunt way back in the woods, big crashing and another snort/wheeze. We were so frustrated we decided to head back to the house and not hunt the rest of the evening because we didn't want to irrate the deer whatever it was anymore and not have it on the property anymore.

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I've heard plenty of doe's do it as an alarm/warning. Didn't know bucks did it until seeing the promo videos last year.

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A snort wheeze is VERY different from the regular alarm snorts. The regular alarm snorts mean run,(be alert) there is danger. A snort wheeze is made from a buck in a very agitated state towards another buck, and it means “I’m going to lay the smack down on you”. The 2 calls do not sound anything alike. Witnessing a mature buck snort wheeze is something that you’ll never forget.

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I think the guy was hearing a simple "blow" alarm. I've heard that a million times, I don't remember ever hearing a snort/wheeze in the wilds of PA, personally.

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I think we'll be hearing it more here in PA now that the B/D ratio is getting better and we have more mature bucks around.

It is a neat experience when a buck does it near you! When I shot My last PAbuck doing it, there was no question that I had to get him mounted that way. Ittookmy taxidermist a long time because he had no experience with mounting that pose and he wanted to get it right. The mount came out great and really captured the moment (as I remember it) before he died. Theexpression on the bucks face is definitely one of maniacal rage. As if he's about to open a 55 gallon drum of whoopass!

It's definitely not something you'll heasr from a doe or an immature buck. It's only something you'll hear from the alpha buck in the area

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BT,
Clean your PM box.

Ifany of you get game news....read this months issue with the article "halloween to remember".

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Rybo,

All cleaned out!

RE: Snort/Wheeze no good in PA?????
 

tried it this week in southern tier of ny and had the same problem i had an eight and a six together the six ignored it but the eight was very skiddish over it

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I was always told with deer calls during archery that calling wasn't good. The calls give up you position in the woods.

I call would a see deer that I know are not coming all the way in or are running to get them to stop.
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