anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
08-29-2007, 10:18 PM
#111
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: cazenovia, NY USA
Posts: 2,973
RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
I don't really want to argue it any more - really - but..........
The 1st paragraph I quoted - was the definition - the Third paragraph that you quoted was supporting contribution offered by the Author of the Article. Yes the author insinuates that "Quality Whitetails" have larger racks. It is often stated, however, as part of the Sell Job for QDM - here let me show you:
QDM Statement: A deer population with broad representation through several age classes is a much more HEALTHYherd.
Does QDM promote a managment system, (see thedefinition I quoted in previous post) that would allow more deer to move to the older age classes...........YES .............Do older deer generally have larger antlers? .......................Of course they do!........... and thereforeit goes without saying, that under QDM managment (as opposed to traditional deer management) - MORE BUCKS HARVESTED -WILL have larger antlers!
Sure its a sell job for the uninitiated - its also TRUE. I WILL ALSO tell you again that QDM DOES NOT have Larger antlers first and foremost as the cornerstone of the management plan.
Is there smoke & mirrors - HELL No!.............. UNDER A QDM MANAGMENT PLAN - MORE DEER WILL LIVE INTO THE OLDER AGE CLASSES - and a more balanced deer population is the result.
QDM is NOT trophy management. It actually, conflicts with Trophy management on many levels.
I do see that not everyone is willing to change their hunting practices - even in my own hunting party. So many of us just want to be able to harvest any buck - that ANY limitations - likey "hurt our chances" - I get it. I'm only saying - keep an open mind to QDM (which may not support statewide Antler Restrictions as was noted) - it will probably be the conerstone of Deer Management in NY in the next 5-10 years, if not sooner.
- Good luck and be safe all you hunters this fall! Make memories that will last a lifetime........and get a Kid involved!
FH
Farm hunter, it does NOT bother me at all when someone says they want to shoot larger bucks only. But please don't try to tell us that QDM doesn't have trophy hunting in mind first and foremost.
"QDM guidelines are formulated according to property-specific objectives, goals, and limitations. Participating hunters enjoy both the tangible and intangible benefits of this approach. Pleasure can be derived from each hunting experience, regardless if a shot is fired. What is important is the chance to harvest a quality buck - an opportunity lacking in many areas under traditional management. When a quality buck is taken on a QDM area, the pride can be shared by all property hunters because it was they who produced it by allowing it to reach the older age classes which are necessary for large bodies and antlers."
"QDM guidelines are formulated according to property-specific objectives, goals, and limitations. Participating hunters enjoy both the tangible and intangible benefits of this approach. Pleasure can be derived from each hunting experience, regardless if a shot is fired. What is important is the chance to harvest a quality buck - an opportunity lacking in many areas under traditional management. When a quality buck is taken on a QDM area, the pride can be shared by all property hunters because it was they who produced it by allowing it to reach the older age classes which are necessary for large bodies and antlers."
QDM Statement: A deer population with broad representation through several age classes is a much more HEALTHYherd.
Does QDM promote a managment system, (see thedefinition I quoted in previous post) that would allow more deer to move to the older age classes...........YES .............Do older deer generally have larger antlers? .......................Of course they do!........... and thereforeit goes without saying, that under QDM managment (as opposed to traditional deer management) - MORE BUCKS HARVESTED -WILL have larger antlers!
Sure its a sell job for the uninitiated - its also TRUE. I WILL ALSO tell you again that QDM DOES NOT have Larger antlers first and foremost as the cornerstone of the management plan.
Is there smoke & mirrors - HELL No!.............. UNDER A QDM MANAGMENT PLAN - MORE DEER WILL LIVE INTO THE OLDER AGE CLASSES - and a more balanced deer population is the result.
QDM is NOT trophy management. It actually, conflicts with Trophy management on many levels.
I do see that not everyone is willing to change their hunting practices - even in my own hunting party. So many of us just want to be able to harvest any buck - that ANY limitations - likey "hurt our chances" - I get it. I'm only saying - keep an open mind to QDM (which may not support statewide Antler Restrictions as was noted) - it will probably be the conerstone of Deer Management in NY in the next 5-10 years, if not sooner.
- Good luck and be safe all you hunters this fall! Make memories that will last a lifetime........and get a Kid involved!
FH
08-30-2007, 02:36 PM
#114
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 366
RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
Just curious I do not know the answer and would like to know. What was the decline in licensed deer hunters in PA when they stared the ARs?
08-30-2007, 04:22 PM
#115
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: YewNork
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RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
ORIGINAL: mustad
What's the difference between shooting a small buck and a doe? I would rather see a doe harvested personally.
You are right; these laws are made to enhance the population of the deer herd. You'll take a hit for the next few years; but in time; those casual hunters that are currently intent in taking a small buck will be even more intent in taking a big buck because there will be more around.
In the meantime, go get a doe license.
What's the difference between shooting a small buck and a doe? I would rather see a doe harvested personally.
You are right; these laws are made to enhance the population of the deer herd. You'll take a hit for the next few years; but in time; those casual hunters that are currently intent in taking a small buck will be even more intent in taking a big buck because there will be more around.
In the meantime, go get a doe license.
08-30-2007, 04:47 PM
#116
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 361
RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
This year, I got both DMPs I asked for. Just look out west and you will be thnakful that you don't have to deal with a lottery for your main tag and only for DMP's.
08-30-2007, 06:18 PM
#117
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 361
RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
Meant to add... some people in NY act like having to hunt a different zone one year is like having to go out of the country. Although I do agree that there should be more doe permits.
08-31-2007, 05:51 AM
#118
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
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RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
Meant to add... some people in NY act like having to hunt a different zone one year is like having to go out of the country.
08-31-2007, 10:16 AM
#119
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 361
RE: anyone in NY mad about the antler restrictions
I agree about the private land, but if you use some of the resources on the DEC site, you will be pleasantly surprised to find a lot of out-of-the-way state lands open to hunting, where you won't see many other hunters. In the past few years, I have found some new places all over the state. Yes it requires a little more driving (on top of the 2 horus it takes me jsut to get to the Catskills), but its worth it.