RE: I'm Thick ,Need better Eplanation on a legal buc
 

250.00.....HMMMM, I could get a new crossgun for that much! What to do?:)

RE: I'm Thick ,Need better Eplanation on a legal buc
 

You don't own the deer, that's how the PGC can enforce things on private property.

RE: I'm Thick ,Need better Eplanation on a legal buc
 

Yes it is true they are undermanned and really can't even enforce things on public land let alone private. Do what you want, I just feel it ain't right to boast about it.

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Obviously Yote Runner totally missed the point and put incorrect words in my mouth. I'm not calling those who question a regulation as irrespondsible, I question several, I simply said if that if respondible hunters due their part, the success of an AR program will yield promising results. Irrespondsible hunters will shoot first, look at the rack second under an AR enviroment. Is that more clear yote runner.?...under no AR enviroment, any buck is legal and it's not irrespondisble to shoot other wise, however, new reg's, new respondsibilities...I hope that clearifies things.....

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bowyer: sure, you clarified yourself... but it seemed misleading when you argued:
"Archery hunters do it now, we pass buck after buck waiting for a quality animal." i interpreted it that folks like yourself were more responsible by following such a tactic. sorry for the mix-up, however, i must add- that of course, most archers follow this style- it's the best time to harvest "your" buck from the summer and no (or few) deer would be substituted. rifle season is an entirely different management tool- (it's the time for slaughter) it would be very difficult to expect rifle hunters to count points as it passes thru the shooting lane- most folks look for bone and it's down, no second chances. not arguing- just commenting.
by the way bt- i doubt you have taken a hunter survey on illinois deer hunters and their feelings towards qdm... many hunters practice qdm across the u.s.- that's not "unique". what is "unique"- is mandating such regulations statewide- which has only been implemented (to my knowledge) in arkansas.

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Yote runner
No I didnt conduct a survey anmd I only have experience with two Illinois counties Pike and Adams. The QDM practiced there is mostly imposed by the landowners but it is pretty much imposed most by all of them. The point is that it's widely accepted because hunters realize the value of the practice. Something that I'm certain will happen rather quickly here as well.

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QDM practices are only valuable, if you have your own private land to hunt. A hunter who has only public land to hunt might not put value in someone else deciding what is fair game on PUBLIC land. And if he understands that the trophy mentality over Pa also requires that the herd be cut in half further lessening his chances for even seeing a buck, he might not value QDM at all.

Time will tell.

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you ever wonder why Alt keeps hauling that same rack around of his hand picked 3 yr old 8 pt. he's had the same rack at 3 different meetings I went to. When asked if that was a typical 3 yr old from good habitat he readily says yes it is. when asked why then do not all 3 yr olds of good habitat grow such racks he says genetics is the reason. Now I'm an old but not dumb...how does he expect to get those same genetics throughout the state? When asked about that at a meeting he had no answer. BUT at the very next meeting he starteds off by stateing how this is the way all 3 yr old bucks will look statewide under his program..............I still say a pony and cart show!!!

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Missed again
You're right that QDM only works on private ground. The reason till now? Because that was the only place where one could get every hunter to follow the rules. Once it's the law it will work on public land too. BTW the only numbers that need to be cut in half are the doe numbers in certain areas.

Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/23/2002 20:28:35

Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/24/2002 06:20:16