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Old 01-15-2002, 04:10 PM
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Default Pa bowhunters, survey says....

Well guys, the October rifle season has been scrapped for 02<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. However, before we relax, we had better face two facts: 1-the survey the PGC just contracted says that most hunters favor an early doe kill. 2-Gary Alt is a determined patient man with science on his side and this is what he wants to try. Unless a viable alternative is brought to the table we will have a rifle doe season in October if not in 03 then 04 or 05.
IMHO it is highly improbable that archers will ever kill enough early does to satisfy these goals so we may have to share the October woods with the gunners.
I think any reasonable person would agree that the deer are likely to be very wary for a while after a gun doe season. What most of us love about archery hunting is the opportunity to blend in with the woods and hunt the deer on their terms, not sit on stand and wait for the next guy to boot one past us as is most often the case in gun season. If we wind up having to accept an early gun season I think we need to lobby for a Sept 1 opener for the bowhunters. Then let the riflemen and women have a doe season around Oct 1. Then we have 3 weeks or so for the deer to get back into routine before the rut heats up.
Still nervous about the whole thing but I do support an early doe kill and that would mean compromising the bow season.
Does anyone have a better idea? One that might make the guns in October uneccessary? Could the archery doe kill be expanded enough to accomplish what appears to be a firm goal of our deer management team.
BTW if opportunities get expanded for any group it's only fair thaty they be expanded for all groups.

Most of all guys, lets try to keep this one civil and friendly! I'll do my best to play that part!
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Old 01-15-2002, 04:36 PM
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Ha! &quot;civil and friendly&quot;...I will believe that one when I see it...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Well, you know how I feel about the situation. I am basically opposed to any rifle season prior to November 1st..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>....but I agree with you. It is inevitable.

I have no problem with the scenario that you proposed but you know that someone is going to come on and say that if you are going to let archers start on September 1st then it better be for does only.....which is even going to raise more arguments in the ranks of bowhunters.

I have an idea....how about we just allow rifle hunting in October on Private Land?

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Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/15/2002 18:10:10
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Old 01-15-2002, 04:43 PM
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Hey, I can ask anyway... Santy Claus didn't bring me a new bow, maybe I'll get this <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I dunno Frank, kinda thinkin it would make an even bigger mess wouldnt it? spotty over/underkills?.... From a selfish point of view, in my situation I could be in my tree with my bow waitin on the big drive<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
(on my bow hunting only property)

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Old 01-15-2002, 05:34 PM
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why not ask Santa for a crossbow? 'cause the reasoning i've heard about not having them in October is because they are more like guns than bow...well would you rather see gun hunting or accept the crossbow. The crossbow will help bring doe numbers in check during archery season.Lord knows that archers alone haven't done it...have they?
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Old 01-15-2002, 05:42 PM
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I could go for an experimental try at letting crossguns in with the early ML season for does only till we see what effect they have. Call it primitive weapon season!
(provided the sportsmen of Pa change their minds and start supporting it)
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Old 01-15-2002, 08:45 PM
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The thread reads...survey says, so here is my vote, being the politcally correct guy I am! No crossguns...EVER, unless you are truly handicapped to the point that you cannot use a conventional bow. Here are just a few undisputable crossgun facts.
1. Greatly reduced downrange accuracy.
2. Greatly reduced downrange ke.
3. Give the new user a false sense of competency. Resulting in less practice=less proficiency.
4.If you don`t believe # 3, just ask the Ohio hunters.
Also, I do not try to downplay any handicap, but I feel that a hunter should have a legitimate problem in order to obtain a crossbow permit. I know several people who have obtained these permits due to a sore shoulder, or elbow, or chronic back pain.
Pathetic!!<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Old 01-16-2002, 05:05 AM
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Well, I cast my original vote already...but if given a choice between having rifle for doe for a week in October...or crossbow for doe for a week in October then I vote for the latter.

Bigcountry,

You bring up some interesting issues. I have never heard of a decrease in accuracy or kinetic energy for a crossbow at longer ranges. (I would tend to believe your third point though <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) What facts do you have to back up your first two statements?

I know that most crossbows must utilize at least a size 2219 aluminum cut to a minimum of 17 or 18 inches with at least a 125 grain point in order for damage not to occur to the crossbow. I will have to head over to Bow Jackson's website and figure out the weight and kinetic energy levels for that setup...
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Old 01-16-2002, 06:25 AM
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I don't favor crossbows or rifles in archery season. Never will. Not EVERYTHING that may make some bio sense can be instituted for other logistical reasons. An early rifle will screw archery up more than people think, ESPECIALLY in areas that are spotted with open and not open land. The deer will be driven to thier safe havens much sooner than normal. They won't return just cause the rut comes in, the bucks will still be where the does are, on nice safe ground.
At the end of the season a dead deer is a dead deer. If we are SO worried about saving a few weeks food for these deer, then we got a lot bigger problems than a doe season is going to solve.
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Old 01-16-2002, 06:26 AM
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I've shot Xbows. Both native built ones in the Philipines, and in Fiji.....and the modern ones. Those new ones.....are not what the Xbow industry claims. there is NO...ZERO...NADA....simlarities to bows. They are not limited to the same ranges. The difficulty for accuracy is NOT the same as a Bow. When you can sit sdown on a range with a Xbow just handed to you.....and in about 20 mins be smacking a 60yd 6&quot; paper plate with EVERY bolt....using iron sights. NO! Not even close.
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Old 01-16-2002, 09:24 AM
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The archery liscence should come with an antlerless tag. The antlerless tag would have to be filled prior to harvesting that AR buck. Doesn't NJ do that now? We could easily carry our share of the harvest with this system...couldn't we?

Oh, and give us an additional 2 weeks to do it, since we &quot;have&quot; to take at least one deer in order to harvest two.

We can keep the xguns and rifles out of archery season that way too.
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