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fines r a joke in pa
pa fines are a joke for poaching thats y we have so much of it look at ohio fines
January 23, 2006 UPDATE! FIVE MARION MEN IN POACHING RING CONVICTED Five Marion men charged with over 100 wildlife violations plead no contest to all charges in Marion County Municipal Court January 23rd, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR) Division of Wildlife. One of the men also was convicted of three charges in Delaware County. The total of all fines, court costs and restitution is $31,629 in Marion County and $1,367 in Delaware County that will be paid, with another $72,100 in Marion County and $100 in Delaware County in fines that were suspended. If the men violate their probation, they will be ordered to pay these fines. Three men will also spend 60 days each in jail, with an additional total of 41 years 85 days jail suspended as long as they obey their probation. The individual sentences are: David Jones, age 31, 65 charges Fined $54,250, of which he will have to pay $6,500 Restitution of $3,200 Court and jail fees $5,709 (Total out of pocket $15,409) Jail time given 29 years 210 days, of which he will have to serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Must attend hunter education class Five years probation Robert Freeman, age 42, 27 charges Fined $21,750, of which he will pay $2,700 Restitution of $2,650 Court and jail fees $4,201 (Total out of pocket $9,551) Jail time given 10 years 90 days, of which he will serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Dustin Freeman, age 19, 10 charges Fined $4,750, of which he will pay $1,000 Restitution of $700 Court and jail fees $3,504 (Total out of pocket $5,204) Jail time given 1 year 210 days, of which 60 days will be served Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Joshua Stone, age 29, 3 charges Marion County, 3 charges Delaware County Marion County Fined $750, of which he will pay $300 Restitution of $400 Court costs of $162 (Total out of pocket $862) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 year loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 years probation Must attend hunter education class Delaware County Fined $1,150, of which he will pay $1,050 Court costs of $317 minimum (longer he takes to pay, the more it is) (Total out of pocket $1,367) 90 days jail, all suspended 3 years probation 2 year loss of hunting privileges, concurrent with Marion County penalty David McKinley, age 20, 4 charges Fined $1,500, of which he will pay $400 Court costs of $203 (Total out of pocket $603) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 years loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 year probation Must attend hunter education class Read more about this investigation and the charges imposed © 2007 ODNR, Division of Wildlife ^Top|Ohio.gov|OhioDNR.com|Privacy/Copyright Info|Feedback |
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I've been saying that for a year now on these forums. Raise the fines, lower the occurances of crime. Give people something to fear.
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Write to your legislaters about the fines.The PGC has no control.
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That's the exact reason whythe PGC needs a lisence increase.
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Your reasoning is totaly off base.A fee increase in not a perk for the PGC.A fee increase allows them to operate an agency that supports all the wildlife in the commenwealth and the hunters of this state.If you want to support more poaching and less habitat work,deny them the increased funds they need to do the job.
You make no sense.You complain about poaching and the lack of enforcement,yet you want to deny them the resources to fill the many vacant WCO positions.All this for what?Because they're trying to reverse the neagative effects the deer have had on the habitat and they aren't stocking enough pen-raised pheasants.Sorry but your logic is failed. |
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If anyone wants to read about poachers caught and fines levied in PA, all they have to do is go to the PGC site and read the news releases.
www.pgc.state.pa.us Looks to me like they're doing a fairly good job of nailing poachers who operate in groups and were responsible for large numbers of illegal game. Especially considering how short-handed the PGC is in the WCO department. We just recently got back to "full strength" in my county, after a young feller returned from active duty in Iraq and was posted to our area. We'd only had one WCO in the county for about the past two years. |
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Judging by most of your contributions, you seem to thrive on personality conflicts...real or imagined.
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fines like that are definitely a joke. that sux. i think it should be a nationwide law that if you're caught poaching, your licence is suspended in every state. these guys are just gonna drive to another state to hunt for a while...
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ORIGINAL: shump pa fines are a joke for poaching thats y we have so much of it look at ohio fines January 23, 2006 UPDATE! FIVE MARION MEN IN POACHING RING CONVICTED Five Marion men charged with over 100 wildlife violations plead no contest to all charges in Marion County Municipal Court January 23rd, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR) Division of Wildlife. One of the men also was convicted of three charges in Delaware County. The total of all fines, court costs and restitution is $31,629 in Marion County and $1,367 in Delaware County that will be paid, with another $72,100 in Marion County and $100 in Delaware County in fines that were suspended. If the men violate their probation, they will be ordered to pay these fines. Three men will also spend 60 days each in jail, with an additional total of 41 years 85 days jail suspended as long as they obey their probation. The individual sentences are: David Jones, age 31, 65 charges Fined $54,250, of which he will have to pay $6,500 Restitution of $3,200 Court and jail fees $5,709 (Total out of pocket $15,409) Jail time given 29 years 210 days, of which he will have to serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Must attend hunter education class Five years probation Robert Freeman, age 42, 27 charges Fined $21,750, of which he will pay $2,700 Restitution of $2,650 Court and jail fees $4,201 (Total out of pocket $9,551) Jail time given 10 years 90 days, of which he will serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Dustin Freeman, age 19, 10 charges Fined $4,750, of which he will pay $1,000 Restitution of $700 Court and jail fees $3,504 (Total out of pocket $5,204) Jail time given 1 year 210 days, of which 60 days will be served Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Joshua Stone, age 29, 3 charges Marion County, 3 charges Delaware County Marion County Fined $750, of which he will pay $300 Restitution of $400 Court costs of $162 (Total out of pocket $862) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 year loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 years probation Must attend hunter education class Delaware County Fined $1,150, of which he will pay $1,050 Court costs of $317 minimum (longer he takes to pay, the more it is) (Total out of pocket $1,367) 90 days jail, all suspended 3 years probation 2 year loss of hunting privileges, concurrent with Marion County penalty David McKinley, age 20, 4 charges Fined $1,500, of which he will pay $400 Court costs of $203 (Total out of pocket $603) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 years loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 year probation Must attend hunter education class Read more about this investigation and the charges imposed © 2007 ODNR, Division of Wildlife ^Top|Ohio.gov|OhioDNR.com|Privacy/Copyright Info|Feedback No regulations about them to come here or any other state and hunt. Same with people who lose their hunt privs here in Pa.,say for a year or 2. No big deal, Go to NY or Ohio or pay for a canned hunt in their state. No problem for the ones who have money.All legal andnot really a loss of hunting is it? |
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The problem I have with a thread like this is basically with the use of the word "poaching". Over time it seems the term has been so corrupted that it's used to include anything from some trivial violation to downright criminal behavior. The net effect has of course been to render the term just about meaningless. The way many, if not most, use it when they say someone was caught poaching, we have no idea what or how severe their offense was. As and example, my cousin was once ticketed for not displaying his back tag. His specific act was to have his tag attached to his coat but then put on a back pack which of course hid the tag from view. Certainly a violation but now he's a poacher? lol...
In this thread nearly all are ready to say that the fines for "poaching" aren't high enough but even in the examples posted of fines and jail times to show what other states do we don't even know what these guys actually did. All we know is they are poachers (whatever that means). Now I understand what guys like TRYKON are getting at and I don't necessarily disagree but imo without specifics this whole thread is just meaningless noise. I have heard of many examples where imo the fines were too low but I have also heard of many where imo the fines were much too high given the circumstances. So r pa fines a joke? Well imo, some are and some aren't but some are a joke in that they're too high and some are a joke in that they're too low. Now if you're talking about fines for "poaching" however, I don't think the question has any viable basis for a discussion. |
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We are working with the General Assembly on a comprehensive overhaul of PA's fines and penalties. Fines and penalties are set by them, not us. One of the new sections we are trying to create will be called "aggrevated poaching". This will carry stiffer penalties than anything we have now.
For now, poaching is defined in Title 34, Section 102 as: "Poaching." To unlawfully take game or wildlife by means of or as a result of multiple violations of the provisions of this title or the regulations thereunder. |
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Along with increased fines I would like to see these morons names in the paper when they get caught poaching deer.
I don't know if you can shame an idiot but I would sure like to know who they are. |
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They started putting there names in the paper around here this year.
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Some rural papers have published the names/details of those charged with violating game and fishing/boating regs for years. Figure they've gotten them from the local district magistrates' offices (or police reports), just like they dowhen they publish thenames/details of those charged with civil and criminal charges?
The Potter Leader-Enterprise and Wellsboro Gazette editions have done this for many years, as I read both papers when at camp. |
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Poaching in Fayette county where I hunt is bad.This season the 8 pointI killed had the end of the right main beam shot off with a 22.The reason I know it was a 22 is because where the bullet hit the antler there is a 22 sized hole that looks like it was drilled with a drill bit.Two seasons ago in the same spot I shot a real nice 12 point my biggest buck ever.When I got the hide off the deer I found a 22 round.The round really did'nt do any damage to the deer.This spot is on gamelands and it is very close to the road.I have never seen a game warden there butI have seen state police.I think they need to patrol there after dark.Our local paper would report anyone caught breaking the law.I dont think policeing the gamelands is in the budget though and anyone doing the poaching is long gone by the time the police arrive.Or they live close by and watch because there are houses close by.
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ORIGINAL: shump pa fines are a joke for poaching thats y we have so much of it look at ohio fines January 23, 2006 UPDATE! FIVE MARION MEN IN POACHING RING CONVICTED Five Marion men charged with over 100 wildlife violations plead no contest to all charges in Marion County Municipal Court January 23rd, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR) Division of Wildlife. One of the men also was convicted of three charges in Delaware County. The total of all fines, court costs and restitution is $31,629 in Marion County and $1,367 in Delaware County that will be paid, with another $72,100 in Marion County and $100 in Delaware County in fines that were suspended. If the men violate their probation, they will be ordered to pay these fines. Three men will also spend 60 days each in jail, with an additional total of 41 years 85 days jail suspended as long as they obey their probation. The individual sentences are: David Jones, age 31, 65 charges Fined $54,250, of which he will have to pay $6,500 Restitution of $3,200 Court and jail fees $5,709 (Total out of pocket $15,409) Jail time given 29 years 210 days, of which he will have to serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Must attend hunter education class Five years probation Robert Freeman, age 42, 27 charges Fined $21,750, of which he will pay $2,700 Restitution of $2,650 Court and jail fees $4,201 (Total out of pocket $9,551) Jail time given 10 years 90 days, of which he will serve 60 days Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Dustin Freeman, age 19, 10 charges Fined $4,750, of which he will pay $1,000 Restitution of $700 Court and jail fees $3,504 (Total out of pocket $5,204) Jail time given 1 year 210 days, of which 60 days will be served Lifetime suspension of hunting rights in Ohio Five years probation Joshua Stone, age 29, 3 charges Marion County, 3 charges Delaware County Marion County Fined $750, of which he will pay $300 Restitution of $400 Court costs of $162 (Total out of pocket $862) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 year loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 years probation Must attend hunter education class Delaware County Fined $1,150, of which he will pay $1,050 Court costs of $317 minimum (longer he takes to pay, the more it is) (Total out of pocket $1,367) 90 days jail, all suspended 3 years probation 2 year loss of hunting privileges, concurrent with Marion County penalty David McKinley, age 20, 4 charges Fined $1,500, of which he will pay $400 Court costs of $203 (Total out of pocket $603) 60 days jail, all suspended 2 years loss of hunting privileges in Ohio 3 year probation Must attend hunter education class Read more about this investigation and the charges imposed © 2007 ODNR, Division of Wildlife ^Top|Ohio.gov|OhioDNR.com|Privacy/Copyright Info|Feedback |
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Actually it looks like the total financial penalty was $15,409. Add to that 2 months in prison and 5 years probation and we don't even know what he did. We only know 65 counts so how can anyone judge the appropriatness of the punishment. My bet is it's too light for what he did but given I don't know what he did I'm just speculating. Justexagerating for a point, and you can bet this wasn't the case, what if he was pan fishing, thought the limit for blue gill was 100 and the law was 35. That could be65 countsof something butnow there's adifferent perspective. Again, though all my point is, is that we really don't know what crime/crimes were committed or even whether or not he committed any crimesbut was found guilty of multiple civil offenses. I just can't seecriticizing the PGC or whoever it is for not being severe enough with its penalties without looking at specifics.
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I just can't seecriticizing the PGC or whoever it is for not being severe enough with its penalties without looking at specifics.
As Neville noted above, it isn'tup to the PGC to set fines and other penalties, like license suspension periods. If and when our legislature decides to increase fines, then perhaps it will have more of a deterrent effect on those who break the laws? About20 years ago, there was an incident in Perry Co.in whicha hunter was killed on opening day of buck season. He was shot well before legal hunting hours started. The person charged with the shooting, was checked while deer huntinglater that sameweek by a DWCO. Not only washe not the least bit remorseful about having killed another human being, he hadalso screeched at the original WCO who apprehended him, about getting his rifle back in as good a condition as it was, when it was confiscated. Afterwards I asked another WCO why such aperson couldn't be permanently banned from ever hunting again. He replied that there was no suchavenue in current regs to do that and that if ever did come to pass, the legislature would have to provide for it. Don't know about the rest ofyou, but I sure don't want to share the woods with anyone that could kill someone and be out hunting again a few days later, as if nothing had happened. As I recall, that guy was found guilty, paid fines and had his license suspended for the maximum of 5 years. Far as I know,he's likely still hunting? There is now another press release on some recent cases concerning illegal "hunting" activity on the PGC site, for those wishing to read about fines and penalties in PA. www.pgc.state.pa.us |
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You can raise the fines but if the ppl can't afford to pay them then what? My suggestion: keep the fines as they are just don't ease them down to a leser amount. If the fine is $X make them pay $X. can't pay? well fine, you spend some time in jail working for a small wage until you've earned enough to pay that fine in full. When the fine is paid, you are released. The fear of being in jail until that fine is paid in full could be a big deterrant.
Of course the thin skinned yuppy do-gooders along witht eh ALCU will cry that it's cruel and unusual punishment so it'll never happen. Just another part of this country going down the tubes. |
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Here's one that may not elicit many laughs from the guy that was charged:
;) http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1171940132180510.xml&coll=1 |
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I agree with that - just look at this guy getting a life time suspension then hunters safety classes - WTF?
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fines like that are definitely a joke. that sux. i think it should be a nationwide law that if you're caught poaching, your licence is suspended in every state. these guys are just gonna drive to another state to hunt for a while... |
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i think it should be a nationwide law that if you're caught poaching, your licence is suspended in every state. these guys are just gonna drive to another state to hunt for a while...
There is an "interstate violator's compact" among many states that cover this, but unfortunately PA never signed onto it. Not sure if NY and NJ did either, but I'll look them up. "Poachers beware. If your hunting, fishing or trapping license is revoked in Michigan, you will lose your privileges in Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington and Wyoming. Failure to comply with the terms of a wildlife-related citation may result in license suspension in participating states." New York joined effective March 2006. Basically the compact works the same way for those who have been found guilty of major game law violations, as similar compacts work for those who have major driving violations: each state honors the decisions of others and will not issue alicense to those who have crossed the line in other states and had their licenses suspended or revoked. It should apply to every state and Canada, perhaps someday it will. |
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Similar system they use to track other violtions like motor vehicle - of your state has a server on the network you will be banned.
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DennyF do you know why Pa.didnt sign onto this bill. It would have sent a message to these poachers[:@]
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DennyF do you know why Pa.didnt sign onto this bill.
I can recall some discussion about itseveral years ago when the interstate compact came about, but can't remember nowwhy we didn't sign on. Think there were somequestions about privacy issuesat the time, or some similar problem with the data base? |
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It would be a lot easier to implement once we have point of sale and a computerized license recording system.
I’m not sure we could do a compact without a computerized data base. Hopefully we can join the compact in the future. Maybe we could even get Tincup hooked up in the system since he seems to have such disdain for law and order. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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So - TinCup24 - you are a poacher then, eh?
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