USP vs PGC
 

It appears although the USP was granted standing,they now fell on their face,as the case appears to have been thrown out.I guess the court didn't buy their argument about the deer pawing the trees with their hooves or that mountain lions were having a huge impact on the herd.Apparently the PGC's science overwhelmed the USP's conspiracy theories.What a waste of everyone's time and money.It was worth a few good laughs though.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

Doug, where can I find that information?

RE: USP vs PGC
 

Sorry Baily,but once again you have no idea what you're talking about.The state attorney general defended the PGC.The PGC did not spend their money so this worthless and frivelous suit did not bankrupt them.It's a real fine sportsman that would want more programs and services cut.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

Bailey, I'm surprised at how many mis-statements you make.
The USP blew a lot of cold, hard member's cash.
Your and my tax dollars were spent to defend this suit not --- PGC funds.
So, who is laughing? I think I know.
I was told more than a year ago that the PGC was overjoyed at this suit as it would deplete USP funds and cost the PGC nothing and as a side benefit, show the USP for what they are..

RE: USP vs PGC
 

First of all,what scientific study have they done that hasn't been worthwhile?They've done a fawn mortality study,buck dispersal study and now a doe mortality study.These studies have all been worth while in my book.the fawn mortality helped them to better understand the recruitment rate and how different habitat conditions have an effect.Hunters constantly whine and complain about the PGC's herd estimates and fawn recruitment is a big part of that.You can't know how many preseason deer we have unless you know how many fawns are actually making it until the fall.The doe mortality study that they're doing right now paints a picture that shows how hunters impact the herd in different types of habitat with varying degrees of access.You should check it out some time.It's pretty enlihtening and blows a hole in the USP's theory that hunters are killing all the deer.Besides,much of that money came from outside sources.

You made a remark that hunters are now smiling because the PGC now has less cash for other programs.Anyone that smiles over that is a disgrace to every sportsman out there.I never said that person was you.

The mud slinging is being done by the USP supporters towards every single thing the PGC does.In most cases,it's done without any basis of facts,much like the USP lawsuit.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

I'm surprised you weren't banned for calling me a wannabe bunny cop.Then againI guess that wasn't considered negative mudslinging.

The truth is,the court saw the USP for what they really are and now it's obvious to everyone else.Do you think they'll refund all the membership money to all the people that got hoodwinked into joining because they claimed they actually had a chance.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

I never said anything about all hunters.The PGC did not do these scientific studies because of this law suit.they were either started or finished before the law suit was filed.What studies are you talking about?The PGC has all the scientific evidence they need to prove that herd reductions were necessary.Where have they lied about this?Asfar as pleas for less doe tags,2G(where most of the complaints are coming from)had their allocations slashed from 52000 two years ago to 19000 this year.The USP did not have one valid point through this whole process.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

Were he really up to speed on this stuff, he would've countered with that oldUSP bromide about some of those studies having been financed by "secret" grants from Audubon and The Heinz Foundation.

:D

'Course that wouldn't have dove-tailed with the "bankrupt the PGC" theory. Oh well, All's well that ends well. In the end, USP has used it as an effective recruiting tool for their own ends, at least according to their view of things.

One wonders if the Attorney General's office will seek recovery of tax dollars spent to defend against this foolishness?

Here be the actual court decision:

http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/CWealth/unpublished/427MD05_1-10-07.pdf

RE: USP vs PGC
 

Maybe we won't hear from the USP anymore.And that other guy.

RE: USP vs PGC
 

That would be a blessing but the other guy loves to hear himself speak so he'll be telling his spin on this.The last I heard,he was having a special rifle built to handle the new breed of coyote/wolf hybrids.I imagine with some luck,we'll see him checking in one of those 100 lb animals next month at Mosquito creek.Hopefully his new rifle is done in time.We probably won't hear much from the other 6 members of the USP for quite some time though.They're too busy searching the woods for evidence of the mountain lions that are devisating our deer herd.On top of that,they'll be out scouting for the last few remaining deer so next year,they won't have anything to cry about.According to their testimony,DCNR was upset because the deer were pawing up the trees with their hooves(yes,they actually provided that in a court document).Since they learned this,their new scouting technique is to find trees that were all pawed up.Since they probably won't find much evidence of this,they should be gone for quite a while.Good riddens.