does this bother anybody?
01-09-2007, 07:16 AM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Harrisburg PA USA
Posts: 69
RE: does this bother anybody?
Doug - one of the funny things about the meeting you attended was that three of the ten "sportsmen" testifying about the lack of deer had their licenses revoked in the past - for shooting illegal deer! How ironic.
01-09-2007, 07:17 AM
#12
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 196
RE: does this bother anybody?
Bailey, I think the PGC "is" listening to the majority! Sorry, some are not in the majority though.
Who are those "fat cats?' Do you mean the decision makers, (commissioners), who work for free?
I'd say that Neville is the only "PGC shill" I've seen on this forum. Seems one shill is way outnumbered byat least two or threeother "shills" that don't agree with him. Maybe it would be better Russian style? One side can say what they want and the other should disappear?
Oh, maybe those who actually do agree, in part or entirely,with the PGC are "shills" since they agree, even if they have no connnection to the PGC?
Who are those "fat cats?' Do you mean the decision makers, (commissioners), who work for free?
I'd say that Neville is the only "PGC shill" I've seen on this forum. Seems one shill is way outnumbered byat least two or threeother "shills" that don't agree with him. Maybe it would be better Russian style? One side can say what they want and the other should disappear?
Oh, maybe those who actually do agree, in part or entirely,with the PGC are "shills" since they agree, even if they have no connnection to the PGC?
01-09-2007, 07:21 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
RE: does this bother anybody?
I guess poachers want more deer.I found it funny that some people in the audience wanted the PGC to sell of some of the game lands instead of granting a lisence increase.My favorite was the testimony of the outfitter that has a lodge about 15 minutes from here.He was upset because he was boasting a 2% success rate over the past few years.I don't even know how that's possible.In a way,that meeting was so ridiculous it was funny.Mostly it was just embarrasing.
01-09-2007, 07:47 AM
#14
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 43
RE: does this bother anybody?
ORIGINAL: germain
I'm like say 50/50 on the whole deer management issue but I also like to keep an open mind.I'm trying to digest what the PGC and DCNR are telling us but what my own eyes have seen in over 30 years of hunting tells me different in some cases.Be that as it may,does it bother anybody that greenpeace is involved with forest certification?Or does it bother anybody that audabon was involved in preventing Michigan from having a dove hunting season?These two groups are behind the scenes in deer management on DCNR lands.
I'm like say 50/50 on the whole deer management issue but I also like to keep an open mind.I'm trying to digest what the PGC and DCNR are telling us but what my own eyes have seen in over 30 years of hunting tells me different in some cases.Be that as it may,does it bother anybody that greenpeace is involved with forest certification?Or does it bother anybody that audabon was involved in preventing Michigan from having a dove hunting season?These two groups are behind the scenes in deer management on DCNR lands.
01-09-2007, 08:36 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: S.W. Pa.-- Heart in North Central Pa. mountains-
Posts: 2,600
RE: does this bother anybody?
As far as Greenpeace being involved with anything, it makes me very nervous. I consider them almost synonomous with PETA. Beware of hidden agendas.
As far as AR goes, I'm firmly conviced it is working, and working well. Although I have yet to shoot "horns" this year, I have seen some nice bucks, and what I saw at the butcher shop the first day as I dropped off my doe were some really impressive racks. More and better than I believe I have ever seen in previous years. However, I digress. Sorry about getting off the subject.
As far as AR goes, I'm firmly conviced it is working, and working well. Although I have yet to shoot "horns" this year, I have seen some nice bucks, and what I saw at the butcher shop the first day as I dropped off my doe were some really impressive racks. More and better than I believe I have ever seen in previous years. However, I digress. Sorry about getting off the subject.
01-09-2007, 08:56 AM
#16
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RE: does this bother anybody?
Doug, as far as the USP law suit is concerned, all your defensive ranting means nothing. What counts and only what counts is the fact that the court granted USP "STANDING." That speaks volumes in USP's favor. And make no mistake about it, the agency has to seriously take that into consideration. They are not laughing it off as you and Neville would have us believe.
For what it's worth the members of the House Fish & Game Committee are rational and sane. Such degrading public name calling by a PGC official is highly improper and very unprofessional considering that the PGC will one day be at the legislative altar with hat in hand begging for a license increase.
For what it's worth the members of the House Fish & Game Committee are rational and sane. Such degrading public name calling by a PGC official is highly improper and very unprofessional considering that the PGC will one day be at the legislative altar with hat in hand begging for a license increase.
01-09-2007, 09:15 AM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: does this bother anybody?
First, Audubon is NOT anti hunting. They have always supported hunting as a management tool.
As for Greenpeace, I'd like to see the proof that they have had anything to do with our deer management decisions. Funding or otherwise. And by proof, I dont mean some earticle full of unfounded allegations by Slinsky or some other spokesman for the USP cult.
As for Greenpeace, I'd like to see the proof that they have had anything to do with our deer management decisions. Funding or otherwise. And by proof, I dont mean some earticle full of unfounded allegations by Slinsky or some other spokesman for the USP cult.
01-09-2007, 10:15 AM
#18
Join Date: Jan 2006
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RE: does this bother anybody?
You can go to the DCNR website and learn about forest certification. You will see that Greenpeace is a founding member of, and sits on the board of the Forest Stewardship Council, the international certifiying body. The Chairman is Grant Rosoman, a New Zealanderwho represents Greenpeace.
http://www.fsc.org/en/about/governance/board_directors
If you still have a problem seeing the connection, I don't know what to add.
Here is a quote from our DCNR:
and from Greenpeace:
http://www.fsc.org/en/about/governance/board_directors
If you still have a problem seeing the connection, I don't know what to add.
Here is a quote from our DCNR:
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/forestry/certification.aspx
Environmental groups such as the World Wildlife Fund, the National Wildlife Federation, Greenpeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council agree that forest certification encourages sound forest management and is good for forest conservation.
Environmental groups such as the World Wildlife Fund, the National Wildlife Federation, Greenpeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council agree that forest certification encourages sound forest management and is good for forest conservation.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/forests/solutions-to-deforestation
Forest Stewardship Council
The wood products we do use should come from forests that have been managed in an ecologically and socially responsible manner. The best means for determining whether wood products come from such forests is to look for the FSC label. FSC, the Forest Stewardship Council, is an international non-profit association that issues certificates for well-managed forests.
Greenpeace is a founding member of the FSC and is active in its development at the international, national and regional levels. For more information, including resources on where to find FSC products, visit www.fscus.org.
Forest Stewardship Council
The wood products we do use should come from forests that have been managed in an ecologically and socially responsible manner. The best means for determining whether wood products come from such forests is to look for the FSC label. FSC, the Forest Stewardship Council, is an international non-profit association that issues certificates for well-managed forests.
Greenpeace is a founding member of the FSC and is active in its development at the international, national and regional levels. For more information, including resources on where to find FSC products, visit www.fscus.org.
01-09-2007, 10:50 AM
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Harrisburg PA USA
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RE: does this bother anybody?
For what it's worth the members of the House Fish & Game Committee are rational and sane. Such degrading public name calling by a PGC official is highly improper and very unprofessional considering that the PGC will one day be at the legislative altar with hat in hand begging for a license increase.
That is why I just returned from working at the Capitol- they want to advance some positive proposals that the PGC is working on in conjunction with many other sportsmens organizations. We have two very good pieces of legislation ready to move whenever the House gets organized.
01-09-2007, 11:24 AM
#20
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RE: does this bother anybody?
"The rational and sane members of the Legislature "get it" and while they may pay token lip service to some of it (let's call a hearing to get to the bottom of this!), they simply leave the PGC alone."
Joe, now your back beddeling. Read your very own words. Your saying that any legislator who doesn't agree (or doesn't "get it") with the PGC's programs, policies, and practices is NOT rational and sane.
Please, please repeat that at the next HF&G Committee meeting. Please!