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Kengston 12-11-2006 05:36 PM

Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
Someones BS us?

Pennsylvania's mid 1990s population numbered 20,000 to 30,000, and still appeared to be slowly growing. They can be found almost anywhere: from the suburban sprawl surrounding Philadelphia to the remote ridges of the Alleghenies. There are few areas remaining in the state where coyotes aren't found.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?A=458&Q=150552

PGC estimates there are 25,000 to 30,000 coyotes in the state
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/story?page=h_map_06_PA_coyotes

In 2005, hunters and trappers harvested more than20,000 coyotes statewide, according to agency Game-Take and Fur-Taker Survey results.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=458&q=163663


BTBowhunter 12-11-2006 05:51 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
Someone obviously screwed up in their numbers somewhere!

Allstate Insurance Company isn't going to be too happy that 20000+ of their stocked coyotes got shot;). They'll probably just step up their cougarstocking program since we can't shoot them;)

Crazy Horse RVN 12-11-2006 05:56 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
I'd put the PGC coyote numbers in the same catagory as their figure of 1.6 million deer.

They haven't got a clue!

livbucks 12-11-2006 06:01 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
There are many times more deer than coyotes, believe me.
I personally don't care to know how many there are. I only get mad if I shoot at one and miss. I consider that one too many.

Kengston 12-11-2006 06:10 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: Crazy Horse RVN

I'd put the PGC coyote numbers in the same catagory as their figure of 1.6 million deer.

They haven't got a clue!
That's my exact point to this postingCrazy Horse. They have no frakin clue. Yet they are selling 850,000+ doe tags for the last 5 years every year. And they got no clue on how many deer are harvested by X amount of coyotes per year either.

Kengston 12-11-2006 06:11 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks

There are many times more deer than coyotes, believe me.
I personally don't care to know how many there are. I only get mad if I shoot at one and miss. I consider that one too many.
How many have you shot at livbucks?

livbucks 12-11-2006 06:22 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
About seven and I killed two. Them things never stop moving. Try it sometime.
I must add that I don't hunt them although I really should.
I shoot at them during deer season and they are always running when you see them.

Kengston 12-11-2006 06:25 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
Who wants to do the math on coyote here in Pa.? You figure every year 5 to 7 pups are born . A female usually doesn't have pups till she is 2 years old. Any guesses of our coyote population? Back inmid 90s it was about 20,000 they said. Lets say half was females of age 2. 10,000 coyote females who can breed. How much would these yotes eat and what would they eat in late march and early april that was abundant and easy prey?

livbucks 12-11-2006 06:30 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
We should train dogs to locate the dens and then we could exterminate the pups. Sounds like a new sport!
Kill as many as you can but you will never get them all.
Poisoning is the only way to get them. Unfortunately the poison kills everything else too.

livbucks 12-11-2006 06:31 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: Kengston

Who wants to do the math on coyote here in Pa.? You figure every year 5 to 7 pups are born . A female usually doesn't have pups till she is 2 years old. Any guesses of our coyote population? Back inmid 90s it was about 20,000 they said. Lets say half was females of age 2. 10,000 coyote females who can breed. How much would these yotes eat and what would they eat in late march and early april that was abundant and easy prey?
OOOH OOOH! I know this one!
Is it FAWNS? ...........DUH

meatismurder 12-11-2006 07:02 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks

We should train dogs to locate the dens and then we could exterminate the pups. Sounds like a new sport!
Kill as many as you can but you will never get them all.
Poisoning is the only way to get them. Unfortunately the poison kills everything else too.
you don't need to train dogs. you should do what NY did...train mt lions to eat the coyotes. it works wonders.

Kengston 12-11-2006 07:02 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks

We should train dogs to locate the dens and then we could exterminate the pups. Sounds like a new sport!
Kill as many as you can but you will never get them all.
Poisoning is the only way to get them. Unfortunately the poison kills everything else too.
Sounds good to me with the dogs. They kill up to 40% of the fawns in some areas. If if the area is abundant with deer they could do a toll on them fawns easy. I think that is also happening. But I would be into running dogs and finding their dens. Yes, poison is the way but as you stated.

Kengston 12-11-2006 07:03 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 

ORIGINAL: meatismurder


ORIGINAL: livbucks

We should train dogs to locate the dens and then we could exterminate the pups. Sounds like a new sport!
Kill as many as you can but you will never get them all.
Poisoning is the only way to get them. Unfortunately the poison kills everything else too.
you don't need to train dogs. you should do what NY did...train mt lions to eat the coyotes. it works wonders.
Well atleast they wouldn't repopulate as fast as yotes do.:D

shump 12-11-2006 07:18 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
believe pgc they would not blow smoke up your butt.if they say it is going down then it has to be true.they do not lie about anything

lead poisoner 12-12-2006 01:10 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
There is a diference between lie and pulling numbers out of the air.It is not lieing if they guessed.But they should all agree on a number instead of making them look uknowledgable as they been and proving it for the lastfive yearsby changeing the numbers all the time.Ok harry,It's your turn,How many you think are out there?Harry"three hundred thousand deers and eighty thousand coyotes".No Harry,We can't give them that number,We need to sale alot of deer tags again this year.How about nine hundred thousand deer and forty five thousand coyotes.Ok,That will work for me.All agree say I,IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

livbucks 12-12-2006 09:25 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
There'salot of 'yote poop out in them woods! See it all the time.

Pops423 12-13-2006 10:13 AM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
I see them in Cranberry Township. Had one run thru the backyard first week of Rifle season and I live in a planned home community.

doctariAFC 12-13-2006 03:28 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
no one knows nuthin'. That's the truth. Its a bunch of estimates based on other state's estimates based on how many coyote (or deer) per Sq Mile (or per acre) some state that actually did field surveys determined.

NY admitted as much for an article I did on Coyote Hunting in 2005. The coyote estimate was pretty much the same as PA's... Between 20,000 and 30,000. Is there some handbook out there for state biologists concerning coyote numbers? Seems like a strange thing that two neighboring states would have the same estimate....

Bear in mind, these estimates were done at least a decade ago. No clue as to where they are at today.

A more important question in the face of the reality here. Since F&G depts really have "no clue" as to the exact (or shotgun close) population numbers for any given animal, why are so many hunters pushing QDM? The same hunters who lament the fictional population numbers turn around and trust the DNR, F&G, DEC whatever, will suddenly have the right information? And not just the overall numbers.. Oh no, as QDM demands knowig the structure of the herds, too, accurately (age structure AND buck:doe ratio).

Thanks....

White-tail-deer 12-13-2006 04:26 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
I know that the population decreased by atleast one where I hunt.;)

farm hunter 12-13-2006 04:51 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
Where is the link that someone stated there were only 5000 in PA?

I don't see it.

FH

BTBowhunter 12-13-2006 05:01 PM

RE: Only about 5000 coyotes left in Pa according to this.
 
I think he wastaking the statement that said we had 25000 coyotes and then subtracting the 20000 estimated that were killed. There's no doubt that the numbers dont add up.


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