DEER WITH HEADS MISSING IN CLINTON COUNTY,PA.
 

tragic things happening..here in clinton county,pa. weekend before opening of buck/doe deer were found in the rt144 area near where they did the penn state deer trapping last year..this road takes you from renovo to snow shoe..

they found deer without heads on..they feel they were all bucks..they did find 1 with a 8 point rack on it..they found 4 in 1 area with no heads..

then someone in truck,red/silver went to green lantern bar and threw out 3 deer on ground..2 were doe and 1 a button buck..

WHATKIND OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS..

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Clearly absolutely low life slobs that seem to come out every orange season.

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My thoughts exactly.Dont know how someone could live with themselves after doing something like that.Funny thing is none of these poachers ever get jail time,just a hefty fine and loss of hunting privelages.Maybe jailtime would discourage poaching.

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I hate to say it but these slob hunters as Rob said are becoming more and more visable to me. I have had a very hard time this year trying to decide if I even wanted to hunt the gun season. I see alot of slob hunters, some in my own family and some freinds. It makes me want to give it up and hunt only with my bow. I'm not saying there aren't slobs in the bowhunting world, but way fewer than in gun season. Maybe I'm too critical. I just don't like to see laws broken for 60 lbs of meat. Do it right and follow the rules or don't do it.

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Who knows, It could of been members of peta or antis trying to make hunters look bad for their cause. You never know.Maybe it was kids out doing this all so.I would rather have them shoot up deer than go to some school and shoot students.But no matter what.No matter who did these thing,I believe they are dangerous and got problems.They sound like serial killers in the making.You see all these killings from one place to another and they drop their bodies off on side of the road where ever.It's like a game they are playing.See if they can get caught.No matter what,When they cut the heads off,You know they are leaving a trail for people to notice.If they didn't want people to notice they wouldn't behead the dears.These people got real mental issues. Sounds like antis to me though.

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It's not just Clinton Co., sproulman.....I live in Indiana Co., and have seen enough of it here, too. I guess I just don't understand what pleasure someone could get from poaching a big buck, or removing the head and horns from a roadkill and pretending that they got it in fair competition with the rest of us. Total lowlifes as far as I'm concerned. I would hope that somehow they get caught and face a maximum penalty. Scums of the earth.

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The way they are making a big issue over it,I thought they was killing them and beheading them and throwing them on the side of a road.I have no problem with people cutting the heads of for the antlers from road kills.Whats the big deal other than the deer in plain view without a head.Atleast drag it off the road to the weeds or woods after you do so though.I would find that taisteless to see a deers body without a head. And who the hell wrote this story up?They feel they was bucks,Did it have apenis or not or did they take that part all so?

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Iwas talking toa guy who drives truck on I-80, spotted a big road kill. He cut the head, then bought a license and then entered a big buck contest somewhere in the middle of the state. He took home$2500 for his effort. There's one motivation.

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I bet he seen it about 30 miles before I79 going west on I80. I seen a deer without a head driving to work about a month and a half ago. If you see him again or know him.Ask if that is the location.

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these were not ROADKILLS..all were in same area,like within 1 mile..it was near the elk viewing area..speed on rt144 in that area is about 35 miles per hr..

i used to drive it when there was lots of deer,you very seldom saw road kill..

yes, the deer had penis on them..all shot NOT hit by car..the shooting was done from thanksgiving to sunday before opening of gun season.. the deer that were thrown off at green lantern bar parking lot they have suspects and i believe they are from OUT OF THE AREA,not local residents of clinton county..

this turns my stomach..

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First of all to bash rifle hunters because some jackass is poaching deer is pretty stupid. Killing deer from a vehicle and cutting the head off isn't hunting and they shouldn't even be called slob hunters. Comparing them to someone who is a serial killer murdering people is also pretty screwed up. That sounds like something a PETA member would say. You are humanizing deer which is the first step to giving animals rights. These guys are nothing but dirt bag poachers. You can get $25-$50 for a small rack at a flea market and if it's a nice buck maybe a $100-$200. We had our cabin broken into a few yrs ago. They stole 25 yrs worth of hunting history from us by stealing all of our buck racks we had on the walls. We probably lost 30 sets of antlers. I guarantee they were sold at some stupid flea market. We didn't even care about the other stuff they stole the racks were irreplaceable. People do some really crappy things for money.

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OK I Gotta say it. I "hear" stories like this every year. Did it make a local paper, oris itone of those "true" stories heard from a guy who knows a guy whose brother in law works with a guy who heard it at the local bar after a six pack? These "true stories seem to pop up every year but no one ever has specifics, pictures or proof.

RSB, this isnt your county, I know, but it's not very far away. Do you have any info on this story? Is there anything credilble to it?

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Nothing Agianst Pawildman, I just wanted to use part of his quote to show how we all think and I think thatspart of the problem. We have gotten to the point that its some kind of competition.We see on all the hunting shows and in the magazines its all about the rack.

In my opinion if there is any competition its between me and myself to hunt smarter, harder and learn more. I personally could careless who shoots bigger deer.

If folks could relax and enjoy hunting and be happy to hunt and feel good when they do a good job hunting a doe, spike or fawn or whatever we all would be happier hunters. And the pressure to jack deer for their racks would diminish.

On a different note I think that penalties for poaching in NY are a joke. Id suggest something like 5K in fine and loss of priviliges for 10 years for a first offense as a start.

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renovo record had picturesand info..its credibile, or i would not have put it here..

also the state highway signs on rt144 were shot up,that was not in paper but i saw it and its disgusting..

sadly, i wish this was story..there is 3 ways to get to this area..renovo is one rt144, beech creek is another on beech creek rdand from snow shoe on rt144..

as for 3 deer thrown on green lantern bar property,i think it was just before dark and a red/silver truck was seen leaving scene..

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from what i understand,i think the state has to set fines..i also question this..

the state feels here in pa. that they could not pay fines if they are too high,you believe that...

i feel taking your vehicile, your license, your guns,and a big fine, like 3000 dollars would end a lot of this poaching..

if they cant pay, then jailtime, not a month, 2 years ..

its joke the fines..

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i know what you mean ..i shot a huge 8 point first day this year..i came home and not 1 friend gave me a pat on back or a look of BOY, THAT IS GREAT SPROUL..

its dog eat dog now..who knows how bad its going to get when less deer than now are in woods..greed is coming out in many now..

i never thought i would see day that hunters would be jealous of another hunter that gets a nice buck..

i said this would happen and it is!!!

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sproulman where do you hunt? my dad has a cabin off of boone road

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i huntin hyner run area and also dry run..the boone rd i know well from time it was NOT privateland for sale..now, its full of camps where i trapped and hunted turkeys/deer..i remember when my footprints and car tracks, yes cartracks with chains on were the only human in that area hunting..

now,well, you know all people you see today..

very few deer left in that area and the few that are left is because of the private property and the 150 yd rule around camps..privateland that borders your property,charles/oakridge property have deer but they are nasty if you get anywhere close to their land..

i heard that there is baiting going on in that area..some said when they killed deer this yearin that area, stomachs had corn in
them..

i said this would all happen when deer get less..

boone rd brings back many memories ,boy, deer that was there and big turkeys..you never saw coyote..now, few deer,no turkeys,no squireaals,few grouse,all kinds of coyotes,hawks,fischers,bobcats,fox,..

pa. is turning into the PREDATOR CAPITAL of world..with deer gone,tourist will bring in cameras to see a hawk..

i wish you could have seen BOONE RD when i did..you went out then and counted BUCKS,not deer..now, if you see deer there, its a big thing..

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it is not slob hunters it is the ar program.the racks are getting that big now days the bucks heads are just falling off
we have alot of that in dauphin county and they never get the ones doing it

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i guess we have to have a little humor,now and again..

what i cant understand..back when we had big racks,in the early 60s, i never heard of buck with head cut off..

about 9 years ago someone was cutting heads of bucks at alvin bush dam area in clinton county...president of the USP found deer..both were big bucks as he seen them before they were shot and heads removed..

well, they caught who was doing it..it was son and father that had camp in that area..

the son testified that they were doing it for years, like 20 years doing it..

he said he was raised that way..just like actors in DELIVERANCE show..

how these people do this and no one sees them is beyond me..

i am hopeful by me putting this on here that someone that drove thru or was at camp on rt144 renovo/snow shoe in area of the jews run rd to beech creek rd area might have seen something around thanksgiving to sunday before opening of gun season ..

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this does not just happen in PA. I know of certain slob hunters/poachers which in my mind are the same species.. I will not hunt with or near any of them. I am not going to jeapordize my hunting privelages over something stupid. Personally I hope they all get caught

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sproulman.sry i was not trying to be a dick with your post.but the sad thing is this is all over pa.do you know what them 2 got out of it.i am glad they got them i just wish they would get the ones down my way

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I think it is unsporting,unreasonable,unethical to even hint that these types of actions only happen near "orange season" (gun seasons).
This is a prime example of the elite attitude some archery on this board have!

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there are very few deer there now. on the second day of gun season my dad said someone driving down the road shot a doe that was standing in front of our cabin. so i think many people are poaching or shooting whatever they see even if the dont have a doe tag.

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i think they got a 1,500 dollar fine..what needs to be done is the fines should be increased and person reporting these people should get a percent of fine..

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not far from your fathers camp the WCO set up the robo deer last year..they caught so many hunters that they moved deer....

1 hunter shot ROBOdeer in morning then they moved it and he went out and shot it again..YOU BELIEVE THAT!!

you know what he said second time,WHERE DID I HIT IT THIS TIME!!

road hunting or shooting in your yard at campWAS the way things were for 80 years here..almost EVERY hunter has done it that has hunted for that time..it was not something that was considered bad..

it was how they put meat on table..most were great people ,good citizens,pillars of community on and on..

this is why its so hard to stop the illegal things that are happening..

NOW ,do to lack of deer, WCO are being contacted more than they have ever had..it was in paperPGC said, we are recieving more calls than ever before and some are people that are the lawbreakers..funny, isnt it but not unreal..

if the poachers and lawbreakers know that the PGC is on too them,they will try to be the GOOD GUY..they will rat out the other lawbreakers SO they can be left alone..

trust me, PGC is not that stupid..

do to lack of deer, hunters will get DESPERATE,they will kill a fawn and shoot it in your yard..i am not surpriserd too hear that has happened to your dad at camp..

as for tags,they are loaded with tags..sisters,brothers, dads, mothers, kids,friends..real roadhunter comes prepared..

if PGC had the authority to stop hunters and have vehicile check, the hunting licenses would fall out of pockets and pile up on ground..

this is why i proposed that licenses,THE DOE TAGS be raised to 50 dollars..then,these people would not be getting all these tags and shooting the fawns etc..

as long as doelicenses are so cheap, many will buy and use as many as they can get..dcnr wants deer gone, they will not be in favor of license increase on doe tags..

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And some of us feel the same Unsporting, Unreasonable,Unethical about hunters who leave their property of 1000 acres and go to public land to shoot 5 button bucks and not do the same on their own land. I think you said rifle hunting was better cause you could reach out and tag deer further off. Don't fall off your high horse EC. Most achery hunters have more ethics in their little finger than you show to have through your posts.

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i see what your saying about raising the price on doe tags but alot of people still shoot does no matter if they have a tag or not.