One buck rule
12-09-2006, 09:41 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 2,435
RE: One buck rule
Why? We have the deer, well at least there are plenty where I hunt. It's been a long time since I had a bow season where I didn't pass a few buck before taking one. Nearly the same in gun season too. Why would we want to reduce our options? Reducing the buck take may make sense in regions where a buck is hard to find but that certainly isn't the case everywhere. I like it the way it is. I can take a nice buck in bow season and still have the chance'/option to do it again in gun season. I think a lot of guys would loose interest in hunting with a gun if they suddenly couldn't take a buck.
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
12-09-2006, 02:37 PM
#5
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Posts: 18
RE: One buck rule
i dont think one buck rule would be right to those of us that hunt with bows,muzzle loaders and rifles of shot guns.but i do think putting an antler restriction would be god in all counties,so the litlle ones can grow ,so we all can start to see more mature bucks.and if your hunting for meat take some does,why take a small buck?
12-10-2006, 07:48 AM
#6
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Long Island, New York
Posts: 159
RE: One buck rule
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
I would like to hear some of your suggestions to increase hunter options. I'm not sure where you hunt from, but like others, in my area the buck to doe ratio is low. However, I do see alot of spikes, 4 pters, and 6 pters prior to gun season, then it's a major drop from then on due to hunter kills. My concern is many hunters are seeing less mature bucks invarious areas and think an AR, one Buck or AR combined with 18" Spread rule should be impleamented to increase the buck to doe ratio and age levels of the harvested bucks.
I'm new to hunting, so help me understand your position. Some post here indicate that hunters shoot young bucks for the tender meat, but refuse to shoot young does because they feel their killing of the future deer.Some feel the experience in hunting is that they go into the woods and shoot anything that wanders by, (especially any size buck) and that consitutes a fun, succesful hunt. And I can see their point, most only get a week to hunt and can't wait to get in the woods and harvest a deer, any deer. Some only hunt for the meat, to feed the family. I see their point too. So for those of us that feel a fun, succesful hunt is in the harvest of a mature buck, how can that be accomplished if the smaller deer are being harvested at an 90% rate. How can all of us get our cake and eat it to.
Off the subject of harvesting small bucks, whats your position on crossbows in NY. I for one would like to see it as an option for our hunters.
Thanks, Rod.
12-10-2006, 08:53 AM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 2,435
RE: One buck rule
ORIGINAL: GR8RALLY
Good Morning Sylvan,
I would like to hear some of your suggestions to increase hunter options. I'm not sure where you hunt from, but like others, in my area the buck to doe ratio is low. However, I do see alot of spikes, 4 pters, and 6 pters prior to gun season, then it's a major drop from then on due to hunter kills. My concern is many hunters are seeing less mature bucks invarious areas and think an AR, one Buck or AR combined with 18" Spread rule should be impleamented to increase the buck to doe ratio and age levels of the harvested bucks.
I'm new to hunting, so help me understand your position. Some post here indicate that hunters shoot young bucks for the tender meat, but refuse to shoot young does because they feel their killing of the future deer.Some feel the experience in hunting is that they go into the woods and shoot anything that wanders by, (especially any size buck) and that consitutes a fun, succesful hunt. And I can see their point, most only get a week to hunt and can't wait to get in the woods and harvest a deer, any deer. Some only hunt for the meat, to feed the family. I see their point too. So for those of us that feel a fun, succesful hunt is in the harvest of a mature buck, how can that be accomplished if the smaller deer are being harvested at an 90% rate. How can all of us get our cake and eat it to.
Off the subject of harvesting small bucks, whats your position on crossbows in NY. I for one would like to see it as an option for our hunters.
Thanks, Rod.
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
Given the serious loss of hunters in NY, seems to me we should be looking for ways to increase the options a hunter has not reduce them.
I would like to hear some of your suggestions to increase hunter options. I'm not sure where you hunt from, but like others, in my area the buck to doe ratio is low. However, I do see alot of spikes, 4 pters, and 6 pters prior to gun season, then it's a major drop from then on due to hunter kills. My concern is many hunters are seeing less mature bucks invarious areas and think an AR, one Buck or AR combined with 18" Spread rule should be impleamented to increase the buck to doe ratio and age levels of the harvested bucks.
I'm new to hunting, so help me understand your position. Some post here indicate that hunters shoot young bucks for the tender meat, but refuse to shoot young does because they feel their killing of the future deer.Some feel the experience in hunting is that they go into the woods and shoot anything that wanders by, (especially any size buck) and that consitutes a fun, succesful hunt. And I can see their point, most only get a week to hunt and can't wait to get in the woods and harvest a deer, any deer. Some only hunt for the meat, to feed the family. I see their point too. So for those of us that feel a fun, succesful hunt is in the harvest of a mature buck, how can that be accomplished if the smaller deer are being harvested at an 90% rate. How can all of us get our cake and eat it to.
Off the subject of harvesting small bucks, whats your position on crossbows in NY. I for one would like to see it as an option for our hunters.
Thanks, Rod.
Well let me start by saying that I can't speak for all of NY state but only my little piece of it. In my little piece I reject totally the premise that mature buck are that rare. Now granted, I'm retired and have a lot of time to hunt, and do, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to hunt a fair amount of good private land but still, as far as I can tell mature whitetail buck are taken pretty much everywhere in NY under the current rules. So we are not talking about not having the option to hunt them but about how to increase the chances of getting one for those that it's important to. Seems that you and I both understand that for many, it's not important at all. I might argue that it's not important enough to most hunters and totally eliminating their current option of taking a small buck wouldn't balance against the wants of a few to merely increase their chances of taking a large mature one. But no matter, even if it's the wants of a few, the desire is a legitimate one and the question you posed was how to satisfy both camps. I really don't think it is possible to do that on a state wide basis so I would suggest it's done kind of piece meal. Why not set aside given areas kind of like they do now with the trophy sections on streams. I won't suggest specific details right now as that would take some serious planning but it seems that kind of approach might indeed let everybody have their cake and eat it too.
With regard to xbows. Certainly. I wouldn't be interested myself but an xbow season would certainly increase our options and might get a few more youngin interested in hunting.
12-10-2006, 11:40 AM
#10
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Posts: 16
RE: One buck rule
Hard to agree with one buck per session when the deer population across the state is so varied. In the area that I hunt (4W), a one deer per session may be more appropriate as the deer population is still way down. I would much rather see a management plan that addressess the imbalance in the age structure of the deer population. I know that not everyone is a big fan of AR, as it does mean a possible sacrifice for the first couple of years butI doubt many on this site would pass an 8 pointerfor a spike.