NJ FISH GAME & WILDLIFE, THEY SUCK
 

WHO FEELS THAT NJ FISH GAME & WILDLIFE SUCKS, FOR WHAT THEY HAVE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO THE DEER HERD HERE IN NJ?

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what happened to the deer herd in nj?? i'm from nj and haven't heard anything. let me know.

kevin

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Bowhuntercop: I know you are talking about deer and maybe you have valid points of argument regarding NJFGW policy on deer. HOWEVER: There is more to their work than just deer and I don't think they "suck". From my prespective as a new hunter I am feeling only GRADITUDE towards the NJFGW. I see them as having put together an excellent safety course and as having made it very accessible to me. I see them as having helped preserve a lot more hunting land than I expected in such a small and overdeveloped state. I find the web site very useful and their maps and publications useful as well. And in a part of the US known for "attitude", they are probably the most pleasant state agency that I've ever had to deal with.
One last thing: If you think they "suck" now, wait until the retirements and restructuring that are due to come down the pipe. I'll be missing Mr. McDowell and Co. and maybe you will too.
In the Internet terminology I guess I have just committed to "flamebait" So be it and flame me if you must but this is how I feel.
(sorry for not spell checking this... in a hurry today)
-BB-

RE: NJ FISH GAME & WILDLIFE, THEY SUCK
 

the state sure offers alot of hunting opportunites. i harvested 4 deer last year on state land. these were'nt taken during permit shotgun season in unlimited antlerless zones either.

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While I feel that Earn a buck and The slaughter of deer in Jan. and Feb. is uncalled for NJF&G dont "SUCK". There is more hunting oportunity in NJ than most other states. Figure a famous whitetailed deer state like Texas it has 750,000 acres of WMA property, NJ has over 260,000 acres of WMA property consider Texas is 300 times the size of NJ and they only have 2.8 times the of WMA property. Thats prety impressive "dont you think". I hunted a WMA on Friday afternoon I had over 15 deer go bye my stand 3 of them were bucks chasing does. Not to bad in my book. I know how bad some of the zones got I hunted 51 until the Earn abuck and extended doe days started I just moved to another zone, problem solved.

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I WROTE THAT THEY SUCK TOWARDS THE FACT OF WHAT THEY DID TO THE DEER HERD, OTHER THEN THAT THEY ARE DOIN A GREAT JOB!!!!!

IAMBOB: YOU STATED YOUR NEW TO HUNTING, WELL IVE BEEN HUNTING FOR MORE THEN 20 YRS, SO PLEASE DONT COMPARE APPLES TO ORANGES. YOU THEN HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THE DEER HERD IN NJ WENT FROM TO WHAT IT IS TODAY. THEY CALL IT HARVESTING, WELL IM SORRY ITS NOT HARVESTING ITS A SLAUGHTER. THY FORCE HUNTERS TO EARN A BUCK, HELLO WHOS THE TAX PAYERS HERE? IM ALL FOR HARVESTING OF ANTLERLESS DEER, BUT NOT THEY WAY THEY WANT IT DONE FOR LAST 3 YEARS, IT WILL COME BACK TO BITE US IN THE BUTT.

IT BOILS DOWN TO NOT WHAT WE AS HUNTERS WANT, ITS WHAT THE RICH LANDOWNER, INSURANCE COMPANIES WANT DONE. STOP THE EARLY/LATE SEASON HUNTS, STOP THE OVER HARVESTING OF ANTLERLESS DEER.

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Now is that anyway for a cop to be talking,(they suck)? I would agree alot of things they do suck, including some, not all, who work for the agency suck. I'll bet the cops who got busted last year for whipping it up during gun season think Fish and Game sucks.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Quoting Bowhuntercop;
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&quot;IAMBOB: YOU STATED YOUR NEW TO HUNTING, WELL IVE BEEN
HUNTING FOR MORE THEN 20 YRS, SO PLEASE DONT COMPARE
APPLES TO ORANGES. YOU THEN HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THE DEER
HERD IN NJ WENT FROM TO WHAT IT IS TODAY(...)&quot;
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My reply;
That's a good point and I've already aknowledged that you may have valid points of argument regarding deer. However when you started this thread of discussion on the board here you did NOT title it &quot;NJFGW DEER POLICY SUCKS&quot;, You titled it &quot;NJ FISH GAME & WILDLIFE, THEY SUCK&quot;. My point is that you, by trying to put your verbal arrows through the suspect apples of NJ deer policy, have run through the oranges, watermelon and Garden State egg plant too! In other words: you opened with a disparaging remark on an AGENCY instead of a POLICY. In your line of work, so dependant on accurate reports being filed, such a blunderbuss of a statement is not what some would like to see!
I do hope you get the deer policy you want however. You've no doubt earned your bucks many times over what with being a cop and all that goes with it.
Sorry to split hairs like this but remember that target identification is very important to us as hunters. We could teach many non-hunters a thing or two.
-BB-<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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we need our winter bow back. No more guns in Jan and Feb

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we need our winter bow back. No more guns in Jan and Feb

RE: NJ FISH GAME & WILDLIFE, THEY SUCK
 

we need our winter bow back. No more guns in Jan and Feb

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I AGREE WITH WINTER BOW, IF ANY DEER MAKES IT THRU MUZZLELOADER, 6 DAY SHOTGUN, AND SHOTGUN PERMIT THOSE DEER EARN A RIGHT TO LIVE 1 MORE YEAR. NO MORE FIREARM DEER HUNTING AFTER THE NEW YEAR.

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i only have one thing to say about the nj division of fish and wildlife. they are the only government agency to ever call me back within 12 hours. if you call them at 830 am they will call you back by the afternoon

&quot;For every dented car with blood and hair, we gain one pro-hunting vote.&quot;

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The people that work at Fish/Game are decent people and very helpful but the current deer policy has got to change. We are slaughtering the herd with the Jan either-sex hunts and most if not all hunters will agree that they are seeing less deer and less quality bucks.

Shorten the season and limit the buck take like succesful states such as ILL have done. PS open more land to hunters.

Hunting the wilds of Jersey

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the deer drives kill too many young deer and clubs steal

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no deer drives after opening day of gun....80% yearlings killed = bucks decimated

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To me, the worst thing about this department is the way the hunting seasons are structured. Let me first state that I moved here from Michigan and things seemed much easier their. But this is NJ and almost nothing is easy here.

It seems to me that the way the hunting seasons are set up is way too complicated, and primarily set up to raise money for the state with the derivative side effect of creating a financial dis-incentive for people to hunt. While the seasons are liberal and allow for a lot of deer to be taken, it is expensive. Whenever you have to keep the copy of the NJ Wildlife Guide as a daily reference tool to know when you can hunt, in my opinion the rules are a mess.

What is the difference between Fall Bow that ends one day and Bow Permit which starts the next. More money for the state. Why would Shotgun Permit stop for 3 days following the 6 day Firearm Season, but Muzzleloading is allowed on those three days. If you already have a Shotgun Permit, then why do you have to also purchase a Firearm License for the 6 Day Firearm Season? Why does all hunting stop for 3 days right in the middle of everything? Maybe all of this confusion creates a good opportunity for the law enforcement to right tickets, kind of like a speed trap where a 100 yd stretch of road suddenly changes from 55 mph to 25mph so speeding tickets can be written.

Bottom line, while the season is liberal for taking deer, this department would do better to simplify the hunting seasons/permits/fee structures and they would increase revenue by getting more hunters in the field. Although maybe fewer hunters the better, but that is not my gut feeling.

So...does the NJ Fish Game and Wildlife department suck? Did they write the laws and regulations, including &quot;no Sunday hunting&quot; that suck? I could see a few people saying they do suck.

Happy Hunting to all!!

Edited by - Gold Hunter on 12/15/2002 22:03:23

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