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Back early Sept I put up a portable stand in NY state woods. A state woods that borders our private property. The area was a loaded scrub apple tree just tore up with deer sign. The stand is cabeled & locked. I used a climbing stick I take in & out to access my stand, and prevent theft. When I hunted it for the 1st time this past wknd someone had marked a flourescent orange paint trail through the woods, spraying paint on tree's every 10yds. They went right along the base of the tree my stand was in. 40yds beyond it, and marked a big X on a tree. I thought well its either loggers marking a skidder trail, or some moron hunter who can't make their way through the woods too well. I last used the stand Sunday 10/15. Oh I also have a game camera up about 20yds from my stand, thats also been up since early Sept. My brother hunted the area yesterday, and tells me now someones placed a ladder stand not 20yds from my portable, and not 10ft from my game camera. It too is right on the painted trail. Now either this person is a complete idiot, or has no respect for other persons setups. I know its public land in all, but why would anyone want to setup a stand right near someone elses. I find it hard to believe they haven't seen my stand, and camera. Crap like this just disturbs me. So I guess when I run back down I'll remove my stand, and camera, and leave the idiot a nice written note on respect for others setups. The other odd deal is I've never in the last 8yrs I've hunted this spot ever seen another bowhunter in there. Its not easily accessible. It takes me close to 1hr to get in it, and setup.

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Maybe he is soo dense that he never saw yours. Isn't it illegal to paint tree's on state land. Some of us are hunters and others just are out there. I only hunt state land on weekdays because of some of the others.

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Be glad you still have your camera and stand. I'd hunt it anyway if you have that much faith in it.

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I agree, I simply just don't get fellow hunters or people for that matter. Rude, me first, no human compassion or common courtesy anymore.

Personally I don't tolerate rudeness, I'd confront him/her/it and ask for an explanation and voice my displeasure. At least you didn't find him in your stand.

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It's also illegal to leave a stand on stae lands in NY. You can't store personal property on state lands.

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I think Charlie P is correct on this one, I don't think one can leave a stand on state land. I can understand the frustration when other hunters have no respect, but I have seen it sooooo many times in my hunting career that I have almost become immune to it. As a group hunters have got to have the least amount of respect for others who pursue the same pastime. Do hikers, skiers, bicyclists have the same amount of contempt for each other? I don't think so. It is really tragic that hunters have so very little common sense. Then we wonder why the media and everyone else think so low of us. Hunters have put this bad rap on themselves in my opinion!

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Charlie P, I checked the DEC website for regulations under the Use of State Lands. I can't find anything other than what pertains to open camping, and structures for personal property. I did read the section on defacing, destroying, and damaging trees. That I'm well aware of, and why I use a portable & climbing stick. I'm not aware you cannot leave a stand unoccupied upon state lands. Do you have the section? I'd really like to know.

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BuckAlley if i were you i would not move your stand, show this a-hole that you were the first there, and if he won'nt move, tell him no ones going to get anything cause your coming in with a live Band. Do Not Give in tothese peoplethey think theycan do what they want. Rich

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I had a situation one year in PA where we had some moron, who had not permission to be there, try to tell me he was going to hunt from my stand on my parent’s property. He even pointed his gun at me! Anyways, my dad soon came behind me and convinced the person that leaving now is better the trespassing charges. I just don’t understand how some people think sometimes!

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It's called public land for a reason , first come , first served .

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well, here i go on this topic..i was raised a hunter and to respect others in woods..those days and hunters like me are now FOSSILS..here is my story..

i have hunted this STATEFORESTLAND here in 2g for 50 years..my dad started me in this area..been hunting their ever chance i get..we never had to be concerned about other hunters and lots of room..not anymore..

2 incidents last year.. new jersey hunters are buying camps in area..they have no respect for your stands or how long you have been hunting in this area..on sunday before buck season last yearme andkids were walking up hollow topick our usual spot to hunt.. 2 new jersey hunters stopped us on path and said,WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING?i said up to get our spot ready for first day..they said,OH NO, WE WERE HERE FIRST AND HAVE 6 STANDS UP ALL OVER MOUNTAIN..

THAT WAS 1 INCIDENT..now, next, they will not let anyone hunt within 150 yds of their camps,yet they do.. i know law says they can do this..

they chased me out of this area because i was 140 yds away from camp..i said, HEY WHO HAS TREESTAND HERE WITH STEPS DRILLED INTO LIVE TREES..they said, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, GET OFF THIS STATELAND BEFORE WE CALL GAME WARDEN..

so, on stateforestlands here in pa,there is no respect or sportsmanship with most hunters..i did not imply that nj hunters are ALL like this but most i incounter are like this..

here is best part, they LEAVE their stands in woods all year on stateforestland so they can say its their spot, not yours..they put cameras up 15ft on tree so they can take your picture if anyone damages their stand..

we were walking into our area to hunt in the dark and flashbulbs were going off all over..

i know feeling when your hunting area is overrun with these people but there is nothing you can do because it is state forestland..

years ago hunters would tear stands down which would send signal to these disrespectful people that they are not being a sportsmen..

so, only advice i can give you is, put your stand right next to them where you have hunted all your life and sit and wave at them all day.. give up a big burp, cut a loud fart and cough a lot all day..

i think that should do trick and they wont return..

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i looked for the rule on treestands on public land too but couldnt find it but i do remember them telling me when i went for my hunters ed course that you couldnt leave them in there

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most of state people i talk to say as long as its not damagingtree and you remove it when not being used or by end of hunting, is ok.. BUT,when gov rendell gets all deer gone,he will give the DCNR approval to tighten things up..

that means no leaving stand in woods,which will mean that ladder stands will be hard to use..already the treestand co. know this..

they are coming out with ladder stands you can set-up and move easy..

treestands are getting out of hand,i dont like idea of having to pack my ladder stand out daily,but i see it coming..

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Kevin 1, agree on public land first come, first serve. I was there first, so must be it doesn't apply to this guy!
Sproulman, man my situations minor compared to the crap your dealing with! Have you called the authorities on them for damaging trees, and trying to prevent others from hunting public woods?

Update on my spot. I only hunt it on wknds, and I'm guessing this guys in there during the wk. I was down there this wknd, and planned on removing thestand, and trail camera. Well like a dummy I forgot my padlock keys. So I just removed my trail camera. I also noticed the apple trees arealmost bare, and none left on the ground. So the spots pretty much done anyways. I looked over his setup, he's 20yds from my camera, not my stand. But still he had to see my camera, its right in plan view of his stand. I'm sure I have a few pics of him too. The guys obviously a moron!

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buckalley,that guy knows more about you than you most likely you think..i have people on my privateland hunting without permiission..here is a story on this..

i dont kill doe on my land as of 4 years ago do to rendell/dcnr slaughter..i was up in my treestand at early light hoping for a shot at a buck i had that was real nice.. i looked over 40 yds and there was a guy in the tree..this was during week..

well, i climbed down and went over..i said, excuse me,you know you are on my land..he said, yes, thank you for letting me hunt here..i said .buddy i dont know you..he said, i got permission from barney google to hunt on here..i said,barney sold this land 25 years ago and died about 10 years ago..he said, oh , i did not know that..he looked about 30 years old..

well, i said get your stand and your barney google off my land..this is latest trick when they get caught..they say someone who owned land before you gave them permmission to hunt on here even if that person is dead..

i used to let anyone that asked to hunt on my land..agreement was NO DOE KILLING..well, they thought i was working and shot 7 of my doe 4 years ago.. that was it..

now posted..hunters are getting desperate now for MEAT..you should see the treestands on publicland that surrounds my property..if deer sticks her head outside my posters, they are history..

its sad its getting to this situation..fun we used to have hunting deer,great time we all had..

i am spending a lot of time trying to protect my doe,i am getting tired and cant afford fence around property..i have to go out at night on/off to let poachers know i am out there watching..poachers and tresspassers are after meat..

oh well, sorry i got winded..

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Sproulman, is all this crap your going through a result of PA's antler restrictions, and major doe kill off? Has it made other hunters that desperate to get a deer, they are willing to play trepass games, and threaten others on public land.
NY is doing pilot projects in certain units for antler restrictions. If this is what it'll lead too its nothing I would want. I've heard horror stories of states like Illinois on private property, and places to hunt.
We had a few problems with trepassers the first couple yrs owned the piece we bought. Several complaining had hunted it for yrs. Well I know how they feel, been in their shoes. But they could've bought it just as easily. I had hunters telling me I was posting land illegally, it was public land. Wouldn't leave until I took their back tag #'s, and went to call authories. Once they realized we were serious its backed down alot.

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I read a post over at huntigpa.com that said a guy named buckslayer was trying to pick a fight with someone for killing his buck. Best part about the story is this buckslayer charicter dosnt even own the property where the buck was killed.He called the buck last year and even tried to give $1000 to hunt him and the guy told him, NO money was needed. Now this buckslayer is flaming these guys for them taking one of there own friends out on there own property,and the friend getting this buck.

What give someone the idea that they can tell you, when/who/how to hunt your own land?

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I hunt all public land in PA where it is illegal to leave your stand out. I get irritated when people leave a stand up in the woods claiming the spot for weeks on end and only hunt it for few days. I bring my stand out every day unless I'm hunting it the next day I hunt from dark til dark so theres no way I'm going hog the spot so nobody else can hunt it. Wouldn't you be angry if you hiked in an hour and the honey hole you found earlier in the season had a stand up with nobody in it? Private land is totally different. Public land you don't own and can't claim.

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Honestly Ch103 if I had scouted out a spot, went in to hang a stand, and found somebody elses there. This has happened many, many times to me before on both public, and private. Yes I'd be disappointed. But no way would I hang my stand close to his. Whether it was legal or illegal. I still would have the respect that someone else is hunting it. How do I know when this guy scouted out this land. Maybe he found it last gun season, and planned to bowhunt it this yr. I found it 9yrs ago, but that really wouldn't matter. I'd still go else where if he was in there first. This guy painted tree's right by my stand, and game camera. Then he hung his stand 20yds in clear view of my camera.You think thats ok?? Do you do that sort of thing?Plus I wouldn't want to hunt a spot someone else is just becasue you'd never know when that person will be on stand when you go in. I don't like bumping other hunters. So actually knowing where others stands are in the woods, helps me to stay out of spots they've selected. I'm also a firm believer in not over hunting a spot, so hunting a spot someone else is would also effect that. I like to hunt setups, that are as free of human oder as possible. I usually only hunt a setup 1x a wk., and when the winds right for it. How do I know what the guys doing. Thats why I'm pulling it next time I'm down. Even though he took over the spot on me, I'm letting him have it if its that important to him. Its not that important to me. It just pisses me off, becasue I'd never done that to him no matter who he is. I have more respect for others than that.

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Continue to hunt it as you have been till you see the guy. Maybe he really doesnt have a clue. The painted trees imply that this guy is inexperienced at least. I remember one opening day of rifle season, my son andI were in a treestand and a guy walked in and sat down 40 yards away. I stewed for awhile and finally got down and went over to talk to him. Turned out he never even saw us, it was his second time hunting and he really had no clue that he was too close. He apologized and I guided him to another decent spot nearby that was also a good spot but didnt interfere with ny son and I. He thanked me for the help and left happy.

When you run into him, try to reason with him and if that doesnt work, move your stand 10 yards away facing right at him. He'll get the message.

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buck, YES..i have nice bucks on my privateland but i very seldom hunt there..i am addicted to my area where i grew up on stateforestland..it has memories and hard for me to change..

do to the antler restrictionyou will see more bigger bucks IFand i mean IF hunters dont shoot the little bucks..i believe thats not being done,so program should fail.. i like program but if dads and friends carry a kids license or have kid there and shoot little bucks ,or kid shoots it,no way the program for bigger horns or older buck is going to work..


then throw in the doe killing and shooting the button bucks..i very seldom ever saw a button buck shot by hunters years ago.. we would only pick out a OLD DOE..

now, its BROWN ITS DOWN..so, i will give the antler program a few years yet but i believe it will not work UNTIL no buck is allowed to be harvested unless it has 3 points on 1 side or hunters look before they shoot a button buck ..

right now, pgc/dcnr has everyone out to kill doe,so very few care if its button buck..

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I'm not saying this guy isn't an idiot, who paints trees? I would hunt somewhere else too, but I get annoyed when somebody sets up like they own the forest and then get angry when sombody else hunts near by. Tree stands are hard to see sometimes. If you leave a stand out 7 days a week and only hunt it 1 day you are screwing everyone else that would like to hunt in that area. It's public land that means everyone is entitled to hunt wherever they want to. Just because you found it nine years ago means nothing it's not your land.

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very true,

i went outand left my ladder stand up..when i got there ,a kid was in it..he looked like death in his face..i said, ah heck, stay in it,i will go over 1 hollow and sit down..

thats why i bought cheap ladder stand at dicks for 49 dollars..if its damaged or stolen, oh well..nothing to get mad over..i am looking at those new stands coming out that have hinges and you can set up quick..

i am contacting a dealer to see if i can test it outafter deer season this year..

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Interestingperceptions.

IMOIf you are on public land and are not in the stand,there should be no issue. Now if you alreayare there and he sits 40 yards away, he's legally OK in most states, but a jerk in reality. But just because your stand is there does not mean he cannot hunt the area of public land when you are not there. As long as he stays out of your stand or the areas when you are in the stand,he's OK in my book.

I once was hunting public lands inMA Berkshires. I entered the woods well before light to get to myground blindin time for dawn. Soon after light, a guy comes down and sits on a logsome 35 yards below me. This is gun season so I am obviously in orange and easy to see. I walk over and ask him nicely to move. He rips into me. "I have been hunting here for 35 years!!" I responded that I had been hunting there since 5:30am! He left pissed. But who's the jerk?? He had no stand, just a favorite log he sat on. I had noway to know aheadthat he would sit there like if he hada tree stand. So it wasn't on purpose. But I was the bad guy hunting in HIS area of PUBLIC LAND!! Ironically I helped him recover a doe he wounded, andyet he still latercomplained to my brother (he didn't know it was my brother) that "some punk stole my spot!"

Another good example. My family bought a home in western MA on 5 acres of land surrounded by thousands of acres of Public Land. My father and brother where turkey hunting and hear a hunters call from the house area. They walk over to see a guyhunting from OUR PORCH!! My father askedhim to leave the vacinity of the house and to hunt the public land outside out 5AC.The guy snarledback about folks like us "buying all the land and ruinung it for everyone"(We own 5 acres in the middle of 4000+ open landhe can hunt :eek:Apparently,The previous house owner was rarely around for the spring and fall hunting seasons, so this guy used to hunt from the house porchall the time. Depsite it being a seriousviolation of our shooting laws (500 ft from dwelling) But the guy still felt he had the right to do it since he had been doing so "for almost 20 years"

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only thing you can do now is go in and put your stand where you want..even if someone is 20 ft away..

who has more rights, i dont know because its PUBLICLAND..so we cant even think that way now..this is way nj hunters leave their stands up ALL year here on publicland in pa.they think that means its their spot..

my hunting spot is ruined by these hunters but nothing i can do because i dont OWN IT..yes, i have 50 years in there, feeding deer, cutting browse,making sure doe were not all killed out.

now, in they come, they dont even join the local sportsmen club,only 5 dollars..thats kind of people that are now in woods..

its going to get a lot worst to as less deer,more scouting and more hunters that will be in 1 area..

hunters are doing more scouting now than i have ever seen do to lack of deer in wmu 2G..

i feel your pain but none of us have right to tell anyone that this is our spot..even tho i would like to say that to hunters i am seeing today but it would do no good..this is why you must make sure that no one knows where you shot your deer,if you can..

if you do, next year a stand will be in that spot..this is why many are burying deer guts now..

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If you look in your sylabus, on the last page under state lands, it says it is illegal to leave any personnel property behind when leaving state land, I would assume your treestand and camera are personell property.

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True in most states

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I agree 100% I hate when guys hang a stand on public land and then think the area is theirs and no one else should hunt it. I have people do that all the time on public land in MD. I usually call theDNR with the GPS cordinates of the stand and they come out and remove the stands. Public land is first come first serve, just because your stand is there doesn't mean you are so I'm hunting there, if you come after me then to bad for you.

Now in this situation it appears both parties are in the wrong by trying to claim a patch of public land as there own. The good thing is through all of the shenanigans they have probably scared every deer in the area over to some other hunter who sneaks in and out with his climber. Thats the great thing about public land, you canletall the other morons chase the deer to the areas you hunt.:D:D:D

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Some of you guys really crack me up on how you turn things around, and twist topics. First I never said I was laying claim to this spot on state land. Next I never said nobody else could hunt this spot its mine ALL MINE, only mine!!!!!I only pointed out I've hunted this spot for the last 9yrs, and never seen another bowhunter in there.
My whole point is "I don't get some hunters." I don't get why a guy would want to paint tree's down through the woods marking a trail in & out of this area. Why would this person decide to mark a trail right under someone else's stand. Then why would this person want to setup his own personal stand in close proximity to anothers stand with a game camera right in front of their stand. Regardless of opinions here on whether stands should be left up in NY state woods or not. ( I still have yet to read anything on personal property on state lands with the exception of pertaining to camping. I've looked at looked on the DEC websight. If someone has it, please forward.). There's obvious reasons why most wouldn't want to put up a stand, and leave it near anothers. This guy is doing the same exact thing I am, only doing it near somebody else. Him nor I would have any clue when the other is in their stand. Plus I already spoke of leaving stands fresh, so all the shenanigans going on don't spook the deer away. I'm still trying to figure out what those are!
Heck, I believe Iwrote how I'm pulling this stand soon as I get back down, so the other guy can have the spot. I have no desire to hunt it anymore. Thats not my style. I have more respect forothers than that.I don't use other hunters stands, and I don't setup near others stands, no matter what property they inhabit. If I come across someone elses stand I simply move on to another spot. Way I see it that person did hishomework too, and put his stand in place before I could. Its first come first serve, and I have nodesire to hunt near someone elses setup. I think its wrong to disturb it, they have just as much right to it as I do. But why be so greedy, and disrepsectful to think screw them its public land I have a right to hunt here too, and throw astand up, and hunt there. I don't get that logic at all. Thats the same logic this guy was apparently using! There's plenty of public land to use. I also acknowledged I'd much rather see a stand up, and know someone else is hunting that spot. Than to throw mine up, be hunting, and someone walks in to hunt the same spot.I'drather know where others are hunting, so I don'tdisturb them or they disturb me. I enjoy seeing deer, and critters while bowhunting. Not other hunters!

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Buckalley,, I did find it in the New York state sylabus that you recieved when you buy your liscence. Go to the last page and look under state lands, it says you are not allowed to leave personnel property on state lands.