NY hunters question
#1
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Upstate NY USA
Posts: 341
NY hunters question
for 3C & 3J:
howare the deer looking this year. I know it has only been one year but I havn'tseen anything yet about deer sightings.
Also a question for all NY hunters would you rather have a
1 buck/year
AR 3pts/side or
leave everything alone
howare the deer looking this year. I know it has only been one year but I havn'tseen anything yet about deer sightings.
Also a question for all NY hunters would you rather have a
1 buck/year
AR 3pts/side or
leave everything alone
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164
RE: NY hunters question
Until someone can show me how it makes sense to target the 60% of the YOUNG 1 1/2 year old bucks having 3 per side, I will have to say leave alone or 1 buck where pop is lower.
Steve
Steve
#4
RE: NY hunters question
I like the antler restrictions. I hunt a zone in NJ which has had them for years, and I see mature bucks that show true rutting characteristics. In 20 years of hunting NY, I have never seen that. Almost every buck is tiny in the south-eastern part of the state and if one survives 2 1/2years, you have the local "monster" on your hands! Its sad because there is a lot of good deer land in that region.
Rattling, grunting, and scents work great in the zone I hunt in Jersey because there are enough mature bucks to encite competition during the rut. In the 3 zones in NY, you are lucky to see one buck a year, on opening day, with 3" spikes. Usually you'll find some jackasses celebrating over that in the hotel parking lot.
Rattling, grunting, and scents work great in the zone I hunt in Jersey because there are enough mature bucks to encite competition during the rut. In the 3 zones in NY, you are lucky to see one buck a year, on opening day, with 3" spikes. Usually you'll find some jackasses celebrating over that in the hotel parking lot.
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164
RE: NY hunters question
Usually you'll find some jackasses celebrating over that in the hotel parking lot.
AR equals trophy mangement - and each area is unique to its needs.
Steve
#6
RE: NY hunters question
It's just a shame to watch, when all you have to do is pop over the border to NJ and go after an animal which is older and wiser, meaning harder to harvest, and much more of a prize when you do, both mentally and in physical appearance.
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Delhi, NY (by way of Chenango Forks)
Posts: 1,706
RE: NY hunters question
I've never really had a big stance on the whole AR thing. But, to me, I'd just assume leave things as is. We can weait and see how it works in the test areas. And like Steve says, I am not sure the 3 pt/side is the way to go either (maybe spread or more points on both sides). As far as I am concerned, I am just as happy with things as is. I have no problem shooting a spike, 5 pt, 8 pt, or a wallhanger. I just like to hunt, shoot, and eat deer.
As far as the one buck thing, that is another story. I think that idea is absolutely ridiculous. I buy my lisences to hunt deer. My tags entitle me to take 2 buck. Who is anybody to tell me that I can only take one? (more than likely they are hunters that only hunt with a rifle/shotgun)And in the big sceem of things, what does it really matter. Bucks have "nothing"to do with herd management. Doe are the key to controling deer numbers and buck/doe ratios. I hear a lot of people say they don't/won't shoot doe, but will take as many buck that come along (groups of hunters). Then they complain that they have small deer with small racks - because there are too many deer. Oh, and by the way, in 17 years of hunting, I have taken 2 buck all of2-3 times, but I am more than happy to buy thetags for the opportunity to take 2 buck(and 1 or more doe) if I am so lucky.
my 2 1/2 cents
As far as the one buck thing, that is another story. I think that idea is absolutely ridiculous. I buy my lisences to hunt deer. My tags entitle me to take 2 buck. Who is anybody to tell me that I can only take one? (more than likely they are hunters that only hunt with a rifle/shotgun)And in the big sceem of things, what does it really matter. Bucks have "nothing"to do with herd management. Doe are the key to controling deer numbers and buck/doe ratios. I hear a lot of people say they don't/won't shoot doe, but will take as many buck that come along (groups of hunters). Then they complain that they have small deer with small racks - because there are too many deer. Oh, and by the way, in 17 years of hunting, I have taken 2 buck all of2-3 times, but I am more than happy to buy thetags for the opportunity to take 2 buck(and 1 or more doe) if I am so lucky.
my 2 1/2 cents
#8
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Caledonia, NY
Posts: 773
RE: NY hunters question
ORIGINAL: doughboysigep
As far as the one buck thing, that is another story. I think that idea is absolutely ridiculous. I buy my lisences to hunt deer. My tags entitle me to take 2 buck. Who is anybody to tell me that I can only take one?
As far as the one buck thing, that is another story. I think that idea is absolutely ridiculous. I buy my lisences to hunt deer. My tags entitle me to take 2 buck. Who is anybody to tell me that I can only take one?
Who is anybody to tell you that you can'tharvest that spike, fork, or 10 pointer? I valued the 5 point buck I shot last season with my bow just as much as the very first deer I ever bagged (my biggest buck to date).
A/R is a two-fold question on biology, and hunter ethics/sport tradition. I spent many, many hours researching AR. There's legit basis points on each side. Personally, I hit a roadblock at the ethics. Who am I to say to any other hunter that they can't or shouldn't harvest a nice forkhorn (or any other deer for that matter). All I know is that I'm not above anyone else to play GOD, and shame them for an experience they value.
#9
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Caledonia, NY
Posts: 773
RE: NY hunters question
ORIGINAL: Airborneguy
It's just a shame to watch, when all you have to do is pop over the border to NJ and go after an animal which is older and wiser, meaning harder to harvest, and much more of a prize when you do, both mentally and in physical appearance.
It's just a shame to watch, when all you have to do is pop over the border to NJ and go after an animal which is older and wiser, meaning harder to harvest, and much more of a prize when you do, both mentally and in physical appearance.
However, there are just as many people who value EVERY deer they take regardless of size, age, status. Just because, an older/wiser buck is out in my woods, and I come across a smaller buck that presents an opportunity for me to be successful...does that mean I value that smaller buck less?
Simple answer: No.
You seem to bash NY a ton. Is NJ the next Texas? Why don't you stay in NJ and hunt then, if it is so good? (actual honest question).
NY has plenty of great hunting. In fact, several areas are well-known to be some of the best whitetail destinations in the entire country for P&Y and B&C monsters. Why you make it seem like NY is a wasteland in regards to deer hunting is a mystery to me.
Quaker Boy, Whitetail Institute, Mossy Oak Biologic, North Country Whitetails, QDMA, Charles Alsheimer's famed deer enclosure....what do they have in common?
Answer: Deer hunting....and NY.
#10
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Caledonia, NY
Posts: 773
RE: NY hunters question
ORIGINAL: pjarrows
for 3C & 3J:
howare the deer looking this year. I know it has only been one year but I havn'tseen anything yet about deer sightings.
Also a question for all NY hunters would you rather have a
1 buck/year
AR 3pts/side or
leave everything alone
for 3C & 3J:
howare the deer looking this year. I know it has only been one year but I havn'tseen anything yet about deer sightings.
Also a question for all NY hunters would you rather have a
1 buck/year
AR 3pts/side or
leave everything alone
Essentially, this version of AR is on a 3-year track.