People in suits
 

I don't know about the rest of you all,,But I do got a problem in trusting high ranked individuals in suits..

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I second that brother! CORRUPT! All officials are, we just have a choice between the less of two evils and the winner usually is the one who spent the most money self promoting!

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OK, this is just me being anal...but why does the secretary have a different tie than all of the other guys?

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Looks like the commissioners appointed in ''03 don't have an official commissioner's photo w/ PGC jacket & tie yet. Boop is the same.

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Them nitwits could not survive 24 hours in the woods

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I wear a suit to work... but I'm not a goverment official.... Am I still alright?
;)

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Would you rather them wear Realtree camo for their picture?

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Realtree camo suits! Suits aren't always bad, only when draped over politions!

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Where did you get the idea that the Commissioners were politicians? They aren’t. They were not elected and therefore spent no money campaigning.

They were interested in serving the wildlife and hunters of this state so when an opening came up in their area they interviewed for the position before a panel of the state’s top conservationists. They were then selected from all those interviewed and had their name sent over to the Governor. The Governor then appointed them to the Commission pending their confirmation by 2/3 of the Senate.

They serve the wildlife and sportsmen of this state at great time and expense to themselves with little compensation beyond travel expenses.

Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County

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Ok,I want to serve as full time wildlife management personel....I want every kind of predator that wasn't abundant or seen rarely in Pa. shot and exterminated..(predator) Black bears included...They was on the endangered animal list,yet they came back... All stocked predators shot... Bobcats and fischers are also on the list wihout additional tags or costs..

Elk outside of elk county, shoot them.. This isn't the west and with population of people you can't have both.... If you want to hunt these animals go out west...Each state governs their own laws..I want deer now not elk in 20 years and no deer...

I say lower the prices of hunting liscense to 10$ and include a doe tag with them....

We as hunters can choose this and vote for this and it has to be granted to us..

The politics are not involved in this and it can't be disputed by them..

You wanna play this game and see if it is not politcally connected???

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Yep, I see no political influence there.


Don't get me wrong I completely understand your support and defense of the operations and management of the PAGC............
;)

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Yup, I am completely off base, my most humble apologies to the ever failing DNR and their staff. I don't make much money either but that is not excuse to poorly perform my duties! Every working man is under paid and overworked if you ask them. I am tired of hearing the same sad story from our government.

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You do realize they are morons don't you?Not referring to the commissioners of course.

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Yup, I am simple. Does this sound like a description of the down to earth guy who cares about our wildlife?

Much worse than I thought, a lawyer. How about viewing some of the results of this wonderful commission before attempting to discredit others. Iguess by "they" Sylvan you are really referring to me since I am the only one quoted. Does eveyone in Upstate New York personally attack people for expressing their views or is it your personal lack of communication skills that force you to attack others because you do not have the means to depict your own views?

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Relax a bit there chief.

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Hello, kettle...meet pot....

I know many lawyers who are some of THE MOST educated, experienced sportsmen and women in the country. Not to boot, but the extra income they make is often dumped into charity works for kids and the outdoors.

In fact, I know a group of lawyers who are outdoors-enthusiasts who paid for and created a place for terminally-ill hunters, and children with disabilities. They have the necessary equipment that allows the less fortunate to hunt, and have full facilities that cater to specific needs (ie wheelchair box blinds that can lift, shooting aids, etc).

So before you open your mouth further complaining about people, don't lump them into a category.

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Some people, regardless of where they're from, "personally attack people" simply because they wear a suit or have chosen politics as a profession. Imaintain thatit's moronic, not to mention offensive,to make such simple minded assumptions so if you want to place yourself with that group, i.e. the "they" i referred to, then be my guest.

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Sorry fellas didn't realize there was a lawyer and a politican in the group.I guess not all terrorists are badeither? Have a heart feltstory about that? Have a problemwith freedom of speech or only when itisn't in line with your personal views?Thanks for presenting your views in an aggressive manner with personal attacksas to scold rather than express your view and possibly even teach or sharein a learning environment.

Well all knowing ones I am done with this post, enjoy your plottedsnappy revengeA$$ Clowns. Siemper Fi

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How much influence do you think congress has over the sport of hunting when it comes to revenues and their cuts.....You think they don't have any say so of who the president is for the PGC?? You don't think they suggest recommendations on what to do to increase revenue or tell them how to???

The past has taught us not to trust lawyers and politics....= suits in this bussiness..
Lawyers are allways twisting the story to make it look like the truth when it is actually a lie....They make their money on lieing...Show me an honest lawyer and I will show you he is in poverty...98% ofLawyers and politics are all the same.... Liars and decietful to people... Do these top rank officials work for what we want, or for someone else agenda and a gain for them to climb the ladder or rub shoulders with higher ranks????

I myself rather be paying a true honest 100% sportsman to be head of PGC full time with no other job to be distracted by...His only job he would be allowed to hold was to look out for the sportsman interest while president of PGC..He wouldn't be allowed to be affiliated with any high rank officials in congress at all....The laws and bag limits would be voted on by the sportsmen not just a group of 10 to 100 people in rank...All the sportsmen who apply for hunting liscense would have a card to vote on doe season for their county every other year and sent in...I believe sportsmen would do this...This would be the most accurate way to detrmine the deer population...From the tens of thousands of hunters who are actually in the woods seeing the deer population for what it is in their county...For these so called high area of deer population areas...Give them a special lisense to harvest as many does as they want for an additional fee...When the heard comes in check...Get rid of that type of permit... This should be for all sportsmen to decide and vote on game laws in Pa. and not just a handful of people to decide what they want or think we want as sportsmens...

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That's an insane proposal.Most hunters don't have the faintest clue about the relationship between the habitat and wildlife.Decisions about the wildlife should left to the wildlife professionals not the general public that expects hunting to be easy.

I went to the Surra,Hanna meeting about saving the deer and holding the PGC hostage.I couldn't believe the stupid ideas and remarks most of the people had to say.Almost all of them wanted the commissioners to be elected and not appointed.Even the brain-dead legislatures knew this was a stupid idea.What would prevent an anti-hunter to be elected as a commissioner.There was actually a group of hunters that wanted tosell off gamelands to fund the PGC.What a bunch of morons.

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The most accurate way to determine the deer population would be for the 60+% of so called hunters that are too lazy to send in a report card,to do so.

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Yes,Thats why you have them vote for their county on doe hunting...This will work when your above failed to work....Guaranteed....

This way everyone has a say so on doe hunting or not in the county they hunt....

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To heck with the habitat.Let the hunters vote on how easy they want their hunting to be.Great plan.

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Actually, the most effective and comprehensive way to get people to send in a report card is the way Idaho does it. You send in a hunting report card or make a phone call and report how many days you hunted and what your saw, wether you were successful or not, if you dont report, you dont get ahunting lic. next year, plain and simple.

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Might work here. I hope the PGC goes to computerized/ point-of-service type licensing soon and they could easily implement that. 100% reporting...now we can hope they (we) do it truthfully.

ChuckS

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Buckshot,

You just solved the problem the PGC has on getting a fix on deer harvest numbers. Plain and simple, the problem is solved. But the PGC won't hear any of it. They wouldn't be able to come up with they numbers they want to use to sell license for deer that aren't there.

Its a shame that this good idea wasn't thought of by the PGC. Or was it?

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Once again your bias and lack of knowledge about the subject is showing.

The Game Commission thought of a better reporting system a long ago, but the State Legislature didn’t change the law to allow for anything other then a mail in report card until less then a year ago.

We can’t start computerized accounting and reporting based on licenses until we have a computerized license system which is finally scheduled to go into affect next year. We couldn’t go to a computerized system any sooner because we couldn’t take that much money out of the general operating budget. It probably wouldn’t be happening now except for some extensive long term budgeting being combined with grants and help from the Fish and Boat Commission to share the expense along with the licensing system.

Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County

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How does the PGC know if a hunter buys more than one hunting license?

Or sends in more than one elk application?


Or sends in for more than one bonus license on the same day?

You got to be keeping track somehow, right now.

If a hunter were to send in for 3 bonus tags, all mailed in different envelopes, next week, wouldn't you guys be able to track it?

I'd think that you could and by whatever means you have been using over the last several years, could have been tweeked to see that hunters report deer harvests before getting next years hunting license.

It could be as simple as bringing the card to the license issueing agent when the new license is purchased. If alicense year would run from January to January, this idea would work even better. I understand the need to get a fix on deer harvest numbers as early as possible. So maybe a dead line of sorts for reporting. If a guy can't afford a license yet he can still drop off the report card and get a voucher to use when he is ready to buy.

I just think there are many ideas to be explored here.

I still like the ideas of check stations also. They do it in WV even with their struggling economy.

You guys are good with excuses, I'll give you that.

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By the way, your lack of knowledge about the taxidermy business is showing also.

To think that making a taxidermist pass a test issued by the PGC will control how he runs his business after he gets his license.


How long has testing been required in PA? How many years?

And when did the CWD start becoming big news?

A lot of time difference there.

And you coming on here trying to make it appear that the PGC only has testing to protect PA from CWD and to protect hunters from getting a bad mount job. Come on!

Who did you think you would fool with that line?

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Dick said: The solution to that problem is easily solved.CUT MORE TREES!

The agency has not met it's 1% timbering goal in several years. Perhaps if they cut a full 1% as opposed to the usual 1/2 % they would have a little extra cash on hand.

What percentage has the agency cut this year Dick, and have they recieved payment on it yet?

Also, how can one obtain a copy of a recent timbering contract? It should be public record.

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Darn shame so many are hammering poor Boopie, since he's one commissioner that was in favor of fewer doe tags and several other proposals supported by USP, like no concurrent seasons in some WMUs.

I guess if one is ill-informed as some appear to be, they can't even pick out their own fellow travelers when they see one.

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I was wondering the same thing.I'd a thought Boop would surely have been on Crazy horse's christmas card list.

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I don't recall any post of mine mentioning Tom Boop's name. And actually no, Commissioner Boop is not on my Christmas list. My guess is that you "DougF" would have a much closer "relationship" with the PGC than I would.
What did you recieve from the pollyanna?