MOUNTAIN LION PICTURE IN PA.
03-06-2006 | 03:02 PM
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RE: MOUNTAIN LION PICTURE IN PA.
OK - I am convinced - bearklr - i am now leanning towards bobcat.
One question though about the pic in general - like we have said many times it is not quality enough to make a definative answer without asking all the questions that were asked in this tread. i haven't looked into trail cams that much even though I would love to get one - Are there ones that will take apic with better quality to eliminate all the guess work - I mean if you take a bobcat and a mt lion and put them side by side there is NO question as to what one is what - If these pics are this inconclusive how can you get a true read on alot of different game you might catch on there.
One question though about the pic in general - like we have said many times it is not quality enough to make a definative answer without asking all the questions that were asked in this tread. i haven't looked into trail cams that much even though I would love to get one - Are there ones that will take apic with better quality to eliminate all the guess work - I mean if you take a bobcat and a mt lion and put them side by side there is NO question as to what one is what - If these pics are this inconclusive how can you get a true read on alot of different game you might catch on there.
03-06-2006 | 07:12 PM
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RE: MOUNTAIN LION PICTURE IN PA.
With trail cameras, you get what you pay for! There are nice ones that use a real camera you can take out to use everyday. Not that you will, the camera needs to be in the woods 24/7. Camera placementis critical, but luck is also very important. Do some research on here and at trail camera sites like chasingame.com. There are several others too. Trigger speed is very important as well as sensitivity. Digital is the way to go for sure Have fun and get some pictures. It is almost as much fun as real hunting, but you can try for the same animal over and over.
03-07-2006 | 08:45 AM
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remember, i am the one that submitted picture, not livbucks.he was nice enough to put it on here.this picture was taken out of the RECORD newspaper.people that took it were positivethat it was a cougar. their camp was in pottersdale,pa. for long time. i also saw cougar in this area but it was daylight and it did have tail over 2 ft long.it was this color and about 45 pounds, i would GUESS.sadly, that picture at night and laural we cant see tail area too go.all laural i have seen here is always over 3 ft high, i never see laural lower than that,anyhow, without clear picture of tail, i also cant say its a cougar. i will say, its nice for a change to be on a forum where you can post a articile like this and only have a few that try to degrade anyone on here. thats real nice because i know of forum that belittles and makes funanyone who disagrees with their opinion or organization that they want to protect. HUNTINGNET should be very proud of people on hereas they have class.take care.
03-07-2006 | 09:09 AM
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all laural i have seen here is always over 3 ft high
Seriously, I think everyone in PA should take it upon themselves to put out your game cams, sooner or later if there is a cougar out there someone will get a better pic!
03-07-2006 | 10:22 AM
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most of laural is grown up here already. i knew someone would come back with that one.yes, if its new growth laural, just i dont see any NEW growth laural.that could be new growth laural, just, i dont see too much unless its in a clear cut area.
03-07-2006 | 11:03 AM
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Can anyone positively identify the plants in the picture? I mean 100% sure of what it is?
I'm no botonist (heck I don't even know if I spelled botonist correctly
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I don't see that as Mt. Laurel? My initial thought without really looking hard at the plants was thatthis was the edge of a soybean field where the plants peter out.
I haven't looked closely enough to really identify them.
Along with that thinking, I would also wonder why someone would place a trail camera in just some odd stand of Mt. Laurel? I would guess this is a trail that enters/leaves a cultivated fieldthat willconcentrate animal movement....possibly in a corner.
If we know the month, and 100% know the plant's identity it does give a relatively good idea of scale especially if this is a planted crop.
I'm no botonist (heck I don't even know if I spelled botonist correctly
)I don't see that as Mt. Laurel? My initial thought without really looking hard at the plants was thatthis was the edge of a soybean field where the plants peter out.
I haven't looked closely enough to really identify them.
Along with that thinking, I would also wonder why someone would place a trail camera in just some odd stand of Mt. Laurel? I would guess this is a trail that enters/leaves a cultivated fieldthat willconcentrate animal movement....possibly in a corner.
If we know the month, and 100% know the plant's identity it does give a relatively good idea of scale especially if this is a planted crop.
03-07-2006 | 05:28 PM
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Im sorry if I offended anyone, matt I sent you an email...please read it.
I must say thatI honestly do not see the spots or the tuft.....but, just because I cant see them...doesn't mean that they are not there. It is probally due to the fact that the photo is dark.....again I am sorry if I offended someone on here because I didn't mean to. Matt does bring up a good point about the actual (diameter) of the tail....which leads me to assume that this is a bobcat. At first I thaught the tail was just obscured, but like matt said, even if it was...you would still see a larger diameter at the base of the tail if it was a mountain lion.
We were always taught in class that when we made observations to compare many things...this is what I tried to do with this photo. And not being able to see the spots, or the tuft...or assuming that the tail was obscured.....I believe that I made a mistake about my observations.
Now I feel like an ass......because of what I claim to knowand studied andwhat I couldn't see was proven wrong.
Im sorry everyone. I just tried to help somone and give factual differences.
I have to say, it takes a big man to come back and say he may have made a mistake and apologize for it. Most people, on here, never admit if they might be wrong, but you did. I commend you for that.I'm impressed in your knowledge of cats and you actually had me second guessing my opinion of that photo. It does have the build of a cougar in my opinion but it has other featuresthatscream bobcat. Apology accepted!
Im sorry if I offended anyone, matt I sent you an email...please read it.
I must say thatI honestly do not see the spots or the tuft.....but, just because I cant see them...doesn't mean that they are not there. It is probally due to the fact that the photo is dark.....again I am sorry if I offended someone on here because I didn't mean to. Matt does bring up a good point about the actual (diameter) of the tail....which leads me to assume that this is a bobcat. At first I thaught the tail was just obscured, but like matt said, even if it was...you would still see a larger diameter at the base of the tail if it was a mountain lion.
We were always taught in class that when we made observations to compare many things...this is what I tried to do with this photo. And not being able to see the spots, or the tuft...or assuming that the tail was obscured.....I believe that I made a mistake about my observations.
Now I feel like an ass......because of what I claim to knowand studied andwhat I couldn't see was proven wrong.
Im sorry everyone. I just tried to help somone and give factual differences.
I have to say, it takes a big man to come back and say he may have made a mistake and apologize for it. Most people, on here, never admit if they might be wrong, but you did. I commend you for that.I'm impressed in your knowledge of cats and you actually had me second guessing my opinion of that photo. It does have the build of a cougar in my opinion but it has other featuresthatscream bobcat. Apology accepted!