NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Anyone have more info on the revised blaze orange bill in NY. I read in the NY Outdoor News I got today that a revised blaze orange bill was proposed.

The story said 250 sq./in. of BO, solid or patterned and applies to deer and bear hunters using rifles, shotguns, revolvers and pistols.

I would like to know the bill numbers for this so I know exactly what the bill says and will mean for the NY gun season for deer next year for me.

It said in the story that Pataki has vetoed two blaze orange bills in the past. Those bills, according to the story, required 400 sq. in. of BO and I guess it was required for all hunters including turkey and waterfowl hunters where the game can pick up on the BO.

When deer hunting in NY, I always wear as a minimum a BO vest and hat on the ground whether I am just standing there or moving around. When up in the stand I try not to wear BO, but last year the only warm hat I wore was BO and cost me a deer because even though dear don't see as we seethe orange on brown, but the deer see it as something out of the ordinary.

IMO, I think the bill is good except I don't think it should be required if you are in a tree 10 or 12 ft. above the ground. I highly doubt if a hunter hears movement in a tree above him, he is going to shoot at the sound in the tree.

Again, if anyone could tell me the bill number(s) and feel free to comment.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I found the bill. It is A07774.

If anyone wants to see the wording of the bill:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A07774

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

+Deer cant see orange. Period. In my opinion it would be idiotic not to wear it during gun seasons. I hope the law is a go.. It would be about time.
My .02

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Well a doe this year picked up my exact location in the tree before I got a chance to even move, as soon as I made the slightest movement to pick up my gun the deer was off into the hemlocks in front of the stand. The wind was blowing in the exact opposite direction from where they were, so it is obvious they didn't wind me. I don't care what studies say, deer can differentiate BO from the regular environment.

A few years ago when my mom was deer hunting, she fell asleep at the base of a tree and was sleeping for a good 3 hours. She was wearing nothing but BO from head to toe. She woke up to two does three feet away from her trying to figure out what she was, the deer were so close that when they snorted at her it was like being sprayed with water. She never moved, therefore the deer didn't spook. I would think if the deer could smell her, they wouldn't be three feet away. So you tell me why the deer would know if she was there if they couldn't pick up on the BO.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I have had many deer withing a few feet of me that could not see me and I wear blaze orange every time I hunt. They can't see orange as their eyes do not have the necessary receptors to see orange. What they can see is an outline that is not natural to the surroundings. That is probably what the doe saw on you when it spooked. Also, if BO spooks a deer, the one that came to your mom would have run away, not come to investigate. Again, it was most likely the outline they saw.

FWIW, I hope that a BO law is passed. It is crazy for anyone to be hunting during gun season without orange on.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

supposable they got this new BO coming out that is a little different. something about they manipulated the UV signature so you blend in better with the color tones of the woods. don't know if this would help break up your outline but at least we got kids some were in some college testing different blaze camos to a deers sight.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Ding Din Ding...we have a winner. A lot of the debate on BO came from the UV issue.

They certainly don't se the orange...instead it is the UV rays that the material puts off. Regular hunting clothes suffer from this too, as I understand it, but the orange intesifies or makes it more noticeable to deer. This is very complex stuff, and it is still being studied.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

hmm... the governemnt telling us more of what we can and can't do?!? im shocked!!!

i wear orange deer hunting, but i dont think they should tell us what to wear, it shoudl be the hunter's decision. Or mandatory for hunters under 18. something liek that. If you dont wear orange, and you get shot, its your fault. why have a law that forces me to get out my measuring tape and find out if i ahve enough orange on??

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

i think if your shot its not your fault even if your not wearing BO. Unless your wearing a deer costume that is. you should ALWAYS be able to tell what your target is.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I have had many deer within feet of me on the ground.........and a stones throw from my stand and never been spotted wearing orange. They can't see it............I have also been busted many times wearing full camo.........If you get busted it is because you moved or they can see your big blob sillouette that shouldn't be there.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

It should be a choice. I wear it when I hunt on state land and only when walking to my stand on private property. When I reach my stand it comes off. If a hunter gets shot because he didn't wear orange then it is his own fault and should be his choice to take that risk. I feel it is also a bad idea cause some and I stress some hunters will take shots at anything that isn't orange. You'll hear shots and walk over and ask a guy "what did ya see?" He'll say "It was big and wasn't wearing orange so it had to be a deer." That is my thoughts and just my thoughts on the issue.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I just don't want ANOTHER law attempting to regulate common sense. I'm sick of it! Stupid do gooders who think it is there responsibility and rightto tell the rest of us what to do because they have decided it's for our own good. Well as far as I'm concerned you people who want to pass another BS law like this can go straight to you know where. Don't pass go and don't collect $200 either. Take your self righteous, arrogant, Bertha Better than you attitude and jam it! I wear a seat belt in my car, a safety harness in my treestand, a hemet when I ride a motorcylce and blaze orange during gun season but I do all of these things because I'm an adult and I have decided to do so. I don't need any jerks from Albany or anyplace else telling me to. If some of you want to be treated like children fine but I don't! Boy this kind of thing reallyriles me!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Well said.

For those of you that are pro orange think about this!!!!
1.They pass the law.
2. Those that don't wear orange now won't wear it after.
3. This is just another money grab so fines can be levied.
4. The law now reads don't shoot till you are sure of your target
& have a safe field of fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Number 4 is broken all the time so why would this law make not
be broke all the time too.


So why have another BS law on the books.

IMO

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I see some people get it and some don't that posted in this thread, some that get it include the three posts before mine just to name a few. The private property I hunt borders state land, so when I hunt the border I always wear orange. When I hunt further in on our land, even though we know everyone hunting the land and know exactly wear they are, I wear orange when on the ground, period.

If everyone identified their target before pulling that trigger, wearing BO wouldn't be an issue. But you have guys that they get a little too excited and start shooting squirrels because theyruffle some leavesmoving through the woods.

I would be all for a BO bill that doesn't require a person to wear it if you are in a treestand a certain distance above the ground, after that let the person's common sense take over if they are in an area where it would be better to wear BO in a stand then let the person make that decision.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I hunt private land, some of which borders a one sq mile tract of state land. I have literally seen hundreds of hunters since opening day.
EVERYONE of them was wearing some BO!

NYState has a higher VOLUNTARY rate of BO than most states that require it. Why do we need another law that will in reality effect no one?

Another example of "feel good" legislation - like the cell phone hands free.

Steve

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Well that's mighty big of you digi200. So according to you we should"let" the adults in this stateuse theircommon sensewhen making the BO decision in a tree cause it really doesn't matter too much up therebut down on the ground where it mattersYOU have decided we all arejust a bunch of brainless irresponsible twits that need their nanny to tell them what to do. Well like I said, peoplewith this kind of nanny statementality can just jam it! This kind of thinking makes me want to puke!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I don't know how you came up with that BS youjust said. How is there any logical comparison between what you just said? What you just said contradicted itself. I feel people are responsibleenough to make the decision whether or not to wear BOup in a tree then you go on sayingI thinkpeople are irresponsible and need their nanny to tell them whatto do. What is going on inside that head of yours?!!!!

If I remember correctly, BO is supposed to keep people from being shot. Also the last time I checked, deer can't climb trees. If someone shoots into a tree thinking it was a deer, they should go live in a mental institution because that person must have some serious mental issues shooting up into a tree thinking it was a deer.

If I hunted state land, I would wear BO in a tree because you don't know who will be there. But if I am on private property why should I have to wear BO if I felt safe enough not wearing it ina tree. I think it should be left up to the hunter.

Like I said, I feel that people are responsible enough to make a decision. I am sorry if you got the wrong impression, but what I was saying is if a BO bill was going to get passed one way or another I would rather it be one where if you were a certain distance above the ground you would not be required to wear it.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

That's easy, I got it directly from you. Unless I've mistaken you for someone else, you are the guy that is for a bill that would require BO to be worn when the hunter is on the ground but leave it up to the hunter when he is in a tree stand. Isn't that what you said? I'm pretty sure it is and I agree with you in that it is BS. I think I made that pretty clear in my last post.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Yeah you got it right was I believe in, but how you put it in your post contradicted itself.

Next year stay up in the north, while I hunt the south and you can tell your nanny I said that. With the tone in your posts over something that shouldn't have much impact on you, I can only imagine how you are when you miss a deer.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I always walk in and out with a BO cap and wear it when in a ground blind but Iusually take it off when up a treeit just makes sense to me. I have hunted in alabama and if I remember correctly a hunter was required to wear a minimum amount of BO(cap) 200 or 250sq inches?while walking to a stand or ground hunting but could remove it when higher than 10 feet off the ground. i would like the NYS law to be similiar to this one.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

But why do you want a law LIAF? You can wear as much or as little BO as you want right now! You can wear it in a tree or on the ground or neither. Your're not stupid. You don't need the state to tell you what to do.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

No digi200, you are the one whining for a nanny to tell you what to wear when you go hunting! You even break it down into what you should wear in a tree vs. the ground. Pretty fasion concious I'd say!

As far as my tone? Yes, I'm being intentionally antagonistic. I'm sick and tired of the "nanny state mentality" and just want to shake people up a bit. We're men for God's sakes! We're not children who needs some authorityto regulate ever tiny detail of our lives and I'm tired of the arrogance of the people who want to try to do it.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Its inevitable that a law is coming therefore I would like to see what I suggested. I would not like to see it a BO of 400 sq minimumas that would mean a vest. I hope the 250 sq will be just a cap. As I said a BO cap but it can be removed when you are 10 feet off the ground.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Sadly, I believe you are right.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I hate to tell you this but 144 inches is 1 square foot 250" is
over 1 1/2 square foot is your head that big.
PS: average cap or hat is only 100 sq. inches

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

I would like to know the following.

1) How many people have been shot by other hunters? NOT self inflected accidents or heat attacks witch count as hunting accidents.

2) How many that were shot were wearing blaze orange?

3) How many were on public and private land?

4) How many were in tree stand?

5) How many were moving and sitting or standing?

I think the answers would help any of us in making a choice on this. we need to stick together or we will loose everything.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

SPIKEHORN11,
I think a good place to look to put things in perspective is PA. They have a strict BO law, NY has none. Is there any statistical difference in the accident rate between these 2 states?

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Well, here in NY there have been 22 fatal "accidental sootings" in the last 10 years or so.

21 of the 22 had no Blaze Orange.

I don't know the details (tree vs ground, etc.)

But the statistic is pretty telling - only 1 hunter was shot wearing Blaze Orange. There is NO DOUBT that Blaze increases hunter safety. The arguement is whether or not it should be mandated for people who are too stupid to protect themselves....like seat belts.

I understand the resistance to additional laws, but I do not understand the hostility against those who support Blaze Orange. They are just trying to make the woods safer for everyone.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

WTF is up with that!!! That is what I been trying to say. If you want me to be more clear, I don't want this bill to go through. I don't like what this bill says. Like LIAF said, a BO bill is inevitable and if one were to get passed, I would like one that does not require that person to wear it a certain distance above the ground, LIAF said 10 ft. I don't care if they say 12 ft. I have been saying the same thing LIAF has, yet LIAF gets more support than I do. It seems to me like I am the enemy. Maybe I just wasn't being as clear, idk.

Yes, I think the Mossy Oak New Break-Up looks more hip than the BO. I sport the same style as everything else around me. :D

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Fastfire, the bill text says 250 sq. in. or a hat. If you are not wearing a hat, you must wear 250 sq. in. of BO visible in a "360 degree arc."

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

And how many fatal shootings were there in PA, where BO is mandatory, over the same time frame. Anybody know? What would the conclusion be if the answer was 32?

I have no hostility whatsoever against those who support Blaze Orange. I support BO myself. My hostility is against the mindset that says we need a law for such things. This kind of thing is out of control. Government weighing in on even the smallest of things. How about a law that says you have to pull your gun up into the tree with a rope. How about a law that says you have to unload your gun when crossing a fence, wear a safety belt in a tree stand, whistle when you see a hunter to notify him you are there, cary a compass in case you get lost, cary a first aid kit and on and on and on.Where does it stop? Just because something is a good idea, doesn't mean there has to be a law to enforce it. And were didthese guysget the idea it was their responsibility to "make the woods safer for everyone"? That's where my hostility is aimed. Who the devil asked them to do that? Worry about yourself and quit trying toforce other people to do what you have decided is best. That tome is the height of arrogance! If you want to wear BO then do it but at the same time mind your own freaking business!

And one additional point. Don't give me the line of crap that if just one life was saved it's worth it. Baloney, if you people really want to save lives how about supporting a law to lower the maximum speed limit in all sates to 45 miles/hour. That would save literallly thousands of lives now wouldn't it? Hundreds a year in NY not a mere 22 over 10 years. But my bet is there isn't a person here would be willing to put up with that kind of annoyance just to save a few thousand lives.

I just saw on the news that 10 people die each year because of Christmas tree fires. Lets pass a law telling people how they must decorate there tree so its safe!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Sylvan, I must agree with you on this subject.There is no reason to pass another law.It's about time people pull their head out of thier lower half and be responsible for thier actions and use the thing called a brain for themself.

And out of those "accidental shootings" how many happened when the shooter took one well aimed shot at the known target,or was it that fancey shooting we hear all too often of 5 or more shots.

How about our elected officals use thier time better by balanceing the budget and spending our tax money on more important matters.

And if you can't figure when to wear bo in the field or for that matter when to shoot at the animal with what possibly might be beyond the target.Stay out of the woods!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

AMEN Itinerant!

AMEN AGAIN!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Well, its not really about me...somehow I've managed to keep from shooting at anyone for over 20 years of hunting, thanks very much.

But it would be a shame if some 16 year old kid, deer hunting for the first time, excited and nervous, plugged some idiot sneaking around in brown carhartt's, wouldn't it? He would have to live with that the rest of his life. A child's life, ruined, because ofbad judgement compounded by someone too stubborn or stupid to wear blaze to help prevent accidents.

Don't get me wrong...I could care less if there is a law or not. I figure its nature's way of weeding out the stupid.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Sure would be a shame, but if 16 years is too youngto beexpected to be responsible hunting with a firearm then the solution is to raise the hunting age.
A child? Children shouldn'teven be handling firearms unsupervised.

As for the guy sneaking around in brown carhartt's, well there is no age limit on stupidity.

I've always maintained that you could have a guy in a deer suit run past a responsible hunter and his reaction would be, "look at that jerk, he's going to get shot!". If you mistake a man for a deer regardless of what he is wearing you are negligent. A man neither moves like, or looks anything like a deer and there is NO excuse for shooting unless you are absolutely sure.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

You know what?

I agree. But that isn't reason enough to lobby against Blaze orange.

You are correct - that's the way it should be. Yet hunters get shot every year - not all are fatal, luckily.


How about we give up on Blaze and add another law instead?
Shoot a hunter, go to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

You like that one?

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Works for me!

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

By the time I was 16, I had enough experience through the endless days afield bird hunting, turkey hunting and deer hunting to be sure to identify my target and safely handle my firearm. I give thanks to my dad for that. I have taken hunter education courses three times. I hunt with ethical guys that want to pass on their knowledge.

Why don't you stop being a problem and become a solution!!!! SPONSOR YOUTH HUNTS!!!! Make it your duty to get the youth involved at a young age so when it is time to let them hunt on their own, you can say that you taught them right.

BTW-This thread was about BO, lets get back to the subject.

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

Pardon my intrusion, but wouldn't that take a new law?

RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
 

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