RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

So BB has no proof to share.

Krockus - I read your link. The DNREC stated their believe but did not post or share one bit of their "evidence". Still waiting for the definitive proof.

Also Delaware isseveral hundred miles from western NY. Do BB's 5 to 10 migrated animals make the trip back and forth regularly?

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

It is neither "ignorant" nor "closed minded" to expect verifiable evidence for the existence of mountain lions in P.A., N.Y. or whatever state you want to talk about. Verifiable evidence is what intelligent non-ignorant people use as a standard. It is truly ignorant to be completely convinced of their existence here based solely on testimonials. BTW, I don't believe any of the "non-believers" said it is "impossible" but rather find it highly unlikelyand until there is far more substantial evidence than there is, we're just not buying it. You know, there is just as much verifiable physical evidence for the existence ofpolar bears andcaribou inN.Y. and P.A as there is for mountain lions.Zero.

When it is reported by some "reputable" source that they exist here, I'll buy in but not until. BTW, if its so clear they are here, why is it that not 1 university, DEC, or fish and game comission on either a state or federal level will confirm their existence here? Oh yea, the conspiracy... I fogot.

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

any pictures?

Actually just one will do. Have any??

Come one dude............. they even have footage and pictures of Bigfoot for crying out loud.

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

From the NYS DEC webpage.

The Eastern Cougar, or Mountain Lion, is listed as an endangered species in New York. This animal was historically present in the state but has been absent since the late 1800s, except for a few that are kept in captivity under a special permit. Officially, cougars are considered extirpated from the state. However, sightings of animals believed to be cougars are commonly reported to the regional wildlife office.
Black panthers are color variations of the jaguar from South America or the leopard from Asia, but sightings of such animals are also reported in New York occasionally. The fisher, a resident New York furbearer, is often mistaken for and reported as a black panther.
Evidence Needed
To date, no hard evidence has been produced that would prove the existence of cougars living in the wild in New York . . . no tracks, scat, dead cougars, photos, videos, or audio tapes. If you believe that you have seen a cougar, please check for tracks or other signs that have been left by the animal. If possible, photograph the animal. A sighting report form is available from DEC's Region 8 Wildlife Unit to record your sighting, or one can be printed off our website with Acrobat Reader (Cougar Sighting Form).
Wildlife staff will only investigate reports where some evidence exists, other than a visual sighting, or when a captive animal has been reported to have escaped.
Email Rumors
Staff has been responding to forwarded email's regarding unfounded rumors about cougars.
Examples of these email's are as follows:
[ul][*]a photo of a cougar stalking a mule deer (NYS has only white-tailed deer)[*]three photos of a cougar-one peering into a glass door, two with snowflakes falling around them[*]two photos of a man posing with a HUGE cougar (actually from the state of Washington) [/ul]
All are claiming to have originated in some town in New York State, but they don't. Please don't forward them.
A popular tale, but not true . . .
Rumors have been circulating for the past few years that the DEC has released cougars to control deer populations. Some of these rumors claim that Officer 'Jones' participated in the release, or that people have actually seen cougars with ear tags or neck collars, so they must have been released by the State. This is not true. The DEC has never released cougars, despite what you may hear to the contrary.

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

Great post NYBowhunter!

Look guys, you either have to accept what the DEC and many other reputable sources have to say or you have to believe in a huge conspiracy by universites, wildlife agences, newspapers etc. to hide the truth. And some of you have the nerve to say I'm closed minded? Give me a break. If you want to be associated with the nut cases andconspiracy theorists be my guest. At least you're entertaining!

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

tell that to the , like, 3,000 plus joggers, hikers and small children that are eaten out there EVERY MONTH by state-sponsored cougars!!!!!!!!!

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

Like I said,if there are mountain lions out there some dummy that had one for a pet let it get out. The "officials" in Delaware even state that in the post that was put up. Like I said it is simple, if you see a cougar they leave tracks. Go measure the tracks, call the DEC they WANT you too. I can just say this you better have your "facts" straight when you do call them or they just may get a little upset. Where I work we have about 800 employess. Someone at one end of the factorycould cut their finger and put a bandaid on it and tell someone about it. By the time the story got all the way to the other end of the shop through word of mouth from person to person the 800th guy would get this story. " Did you hear that Joe got his arm caught in a machine and it pulled it in and ripped it off at the shoulder. They got the blood to stop and he is going to live but his arm is gone". Rumors are nothing but BS and the people who listen to them are the "ignorant ones". :):D

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/wildlife/mountainlion.asp



The images above show front tracks. Mountain lion front tracks are 3" to 4 1/4" long and 3 1/4" to 4 3/4" wide. Claws usually do not register because they are retracted. Claw marks are usually (but not always) visible in coyote and dog tracks. The heal pad in cat tracks has two lobes in the front and three lobes in the back, while dog and coyote tracks show only one lobe in the front and two lobes in the back. The tracks from a small mountain lion and a large bobcat can be difficult to distinguish.

It amazes me that with 600,000 deer hunters and who knows how many trail cams in this state no one can produce a "real" picture of one. We really must be the close minded and ignorant ones. A large male has to make a kill about every ten days but not one kill sitre. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM???????????????????

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

It's funny Sylvan has the ability to post range maps found on the internet ........is from about 1910 but aint got the ability to look that up.

Sylvan, notice on your map that the entire state of arkasas is part of the range ...... but yet only in past year or two did arkansas state they now have a possible small population......

Why do you guys always show links and maps that are like 80 years old. This aint 80 years ago this is now.

As far as cougars coming from the north..... a bit more recent map for ya from past ten years ....not 80 years ago.

http://www.ontariopuma.ca/sightings.htm


Some also wanted a map of sightings with reputable scientist/proffessors backing it(notice no range in louisiana or arkansas like in Sylvans outdated 1910 map)

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/bigpicture.html


and if you follow that one notice all the dots up around nova scotia .... all those have been added in last 6 monthes. And if you guys can't take the time to read it ..... blue dots are confirmed by DNA, actual photos, actual proof, red dots are highly probably secondary proof, scat, tracks.

Notice the new blue dot at the Vt,NH, Mass intersection....... every month they add more dots. I know you non believers need to see the proof and not take the word of long lived DNR officials, police,and scientists.

Some asked about DNA proof. How about

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/MIconfirm2-05.htm

I suppose they are lieing cuz they didn't post the results sheet of the actual test. Most be some the DNR official are working on that conspiracy stuff.

Someone also brought up the point that some these locations are 100 miles apart.

http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDetail4514.cfm?ID=22,36765

that's what only about 450+ miles.


and if it's not one roaming ..... only one other reason .... it aint just one.


I know ...... that eastern cougar net website and all the scientists, wildlife officials, college professors that make up that organization and website are all lieing and just spreading stories. We all know that these retired DNR officials and college proffessors and conspiracy artists.

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/FieldReportIowa10-03.htm

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/News-Leader_com%20%20True%20Ozarks%20%20Cougars%20are%2 0here,%20but%20difficult%20to%20find,%20track.htm

interesting about using the river ways as travel corridors ...... um susquehana..... as well as all the other big rivers we have throughout the state.

All this info says they are spreading, they are moving. if you take the time to do some digging for recent news and events it's there.

Wisconson and michigain DNR's have both recently admitted that they most likely have a small breading populations. Don't take my word for it .... they have computers and emails where you "could" email officials of any state you want ..... if you want to know for yourselves.

But we know you truely do not want to and that is too much burden for you to take upon yourselves to do.

They all can't be released pets, and they are there.

RE: Moutain Lion in Western NY?
 

nice little video for you guys .... it's from montana.

http://www.huntingfootage.com/showphoto.php?photo=1111&sort=1&cat=520&am p;page=5

click on the picture and the video will download.