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I have been doing a good deal of scouting this summer already. Either through glassing fields, ground hog hunting or driving around. I've noticed some exceptional bucks for this time of year on my property and I've heard from others around the area as well. I watched 3 18-20" wide deer about a week ago. I couldn't tell points because they were too far away, but I could make out that they had very good frames already.

I've heard the same thing from a couple of the guys I work with who've also seen bucks already this year that were exceptional for this time of year. And these bucks were on heavily hunting public ground.

Anyone else seeing this? I don't agree with everything that Alt did when he was running the show.........but maybe he wasn't as nuts as some thought.

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muzzy- im in your neck of the woods, i work in state college.. ive been seeing some nice deer on rt 45(all private) but i saw a really nice one last week.. i also have been seeing a few in warriors mark, when my buddy and i go spotting.. we went last night up more my way on public and didnt see many deer at all.. but did see a pretty nice 6 but who knows what he will be..

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Muzzy, i would have to agree. I've seen several exceptional deer in my normal public land stomping grounds. Granted i have found the areas seem to be holding less deer- the survivors are donning some impressive head gear ;)

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Seen1 deer in the past 2 months alive.and around 2 dozen dead ones on a pile.the developer who bought half the township has been shooting every thing they see and stacking up on a pile to rot. With permission.

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We have seen a more than average amount of good ones at our place in Bradford County this year as well. We just put up the camera again, so I should have pictures soon. My dad checks it every day and sends me the pics via email so I may have some this afternoon.

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Well, I guess the QDM is working. It takes time, most people haven't the patience to make it work. Hence the on slaught of negative mail and posts. I do believe and have seen QDM work. Remember it's QUALITY not quanity. Good hunting to those patient few.

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Its good to see antler restrictions working in PA. I just wish WV would come up with some kind of antler restriction.

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Cardeer, why would a developer be shooting all the deer around? And who gave him permission?Thats gotta be against the law.

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I have been getting quite a few deer cam pics with bucks in them. Some of them are quite exceptional but I do not know if there are significantly more than in previous years. Maybe a bit more scouting will yield similar findings to your own.

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I have been seeing some brutes already. It looks like another good upcoming season. I guess there will be hunters out there wondering why they are seeing nicer buck.[&:] Imagine what would be out there if hunters would stop shooting button bucks. Good luck to everyones upcoming season. It seems like it will never get here![:@]

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I've seen some good looking bucks also,and they said Gary Alt was a ...

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I've had a good number of bucks come in to my feeder and camera. One of the bucks is going to be a monster and the others are all respectable. I can't wait for archery to start.

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No QDM manager would manager the herd at 12 DPSM ,which produces a antlered buck harvest of 2 buck PSM. All QDM mangers manage the herd at much higher OWDD than a state agency like the PGC because they have to provide enough buck to keep the members of a club or lease happy.

Alt's plan has already reduced the buck harvest from 203K in 2001 to 124K in 2004 and this years harvest will be even lower. Where HR has been most successful ,as in 2 G ,hunters are harvesting fewer 2.5+ buck than they did before AR's were implemented.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: ddear



No QDM manager would manager the herd at 12 DPSM ,which produces a antlered buck harvest of 2 buck PSM. All QDM mangers manage the herd at much higher OWDD than a state agency like the PGC because they have to provide enough buck to keep the members of a club or lease happy.

Bingo!A good example is the leases in Texas.While the buck/doe ratio may be close the number of does and bucks on that property is more like 100 dpsm.People wouldn't pay to sit there all day and maybe see two deer.

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I saw numerous bucks last weekend. Two on state game lands One was a potential slammer the other was a decent buck. The bigger one had 6 points and was about 2" past his ears.

But that must have been a dream cause i forgot therearent any deer left on SGL's:D

Saw two nice bucks here by the house tonight. One had an 18+ plus spread the other about 14 or 15". I have noticed a greater % of bucks to does being seen this summer as opposed to previous years. Which is a good sign in my opinion!!

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Ddear, you can keep throwing the same numbers out- its not changing the fact that a growing number of people are seeing bigger bucks.

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ddear, you are correct in saying that the buck harvest are lower. But why do you think that is? Its because you can't shoot every single deer with horns like you could in years past. These bucks in many cases are making it to the next year and are growing much better racks than before.I don't agree with a lot of the QDM. Shooting that many does definitly hurt the population. The bucks have to come from somewhere. When you kill a doe, typically you are killing at least 2 deer. But I like the buck management that is taking place. I personally would rather see 2 or 3 monsters each season as opposed to 10 scrub racks.

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That simply is not true. The bucks saved the first year of AR should have replaced the 1.5 buck saved the second year and the buck harvest should have returned to around 200 K, but it droppped to 142K in 2003. It dropped and will continue to drop because there are fewer 1.5 buck being recruited so there are fewer being saved by AR. By 2006 we will be harvesting fewer 2.5+ buck than we did in 2002,before any bucks were saved by AR's.

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dd - who are YOU to say that "ALL QDM managers manage"......

Who are all the QDM managers that woudn't(you said no QDM manager) manage the herd at 12 DPSM which produces antlered buck harvest of 2 PSM. How many QDM managers have you spoke with to make the statement "NO QDM manager" would.............

Who are are ALL the QDM managers you refer to and where and what did they say.

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i dont like HR for the whole state all it does is make it less bucks period... now for AR.. i like big bucks.. fact im looking for a nice wallhanger... but i just think the way we do it is wrong.. i think it should be by the age.. now thats hard to get hunters to judge but i feel the way we do it has so many flaws in it.. the best 1 1/2 yr old bucks are getting shot..what do all of you think, would it be better to leave the 1 1/2 yr old 6 or 8 pt walk and wait for least a 2 1/2 yr old buck..

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Kip adams NE Reg. Director for QDMA was shocked when I showed him the OWDD goals for 5C and 5B in PA. He said he would ask Alt about them and get back to me,but he never did.I have yet to read any article by Bryan Kinkel or any other QDM manager where they stated that the gaol was to reduce the herd to 12 DPSM.

Maybe yo would cre to provide a reference that shows that I am wrong.

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dd,
When you state in a post(see p2) that No QDM manager would manage the herd at 12 DPSM that means NONE or ALL would not. It is an absolute statement with no possible variables.

When you state All QDM managers manage the herd at much higher OWDD than a state agency.... that means ALL managers would manage at a much higher OWDD.

Again - this is an absolute statement your making to all Hunters in this thread. You state it as a conclusion in response to a valid statement,comment and opinion made by another member. Why would this member or any other wish to make further comment or respond.

You have not produced one shread of evidence that proves this sort of absolution. ALL,NONE means just that.

(Websters New World Dictionary;ALL=every one of,any,
every thing,everyone. NONE=no one,not anyone,not any).

Again your statements have no basis for fact or even a valid opinion and therefore have no place in this thread or MB.

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Good to hear you guys up there in PA are seeing some nice Deer for the upcoming season:D.

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Maybe yo would cre to provide a reference that shows that I am wrong.
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I to would like to see some reference from the other side to prove ddear wrong , it is easy to blast someone but before you do make sure you know what you are talking about. SHOW US YOUR REFERENCE PLEASE.

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i would like to see the other side also

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On page 2 the TOPIC got shifted. Lets get this thread back "On Topic".

I believe it was titled "Promising buck harvest in PA".

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AJ52, thanks, well said.:D

All I'm saying is that there seems to be quite a few large racked deer for this early in the season. Now, I hunt ground and am surounded by thousands of acres of state corrections land that was never really affected by any of the game commissions changes. But we are seeing better than average deer this season for some reason. We typically see a few 150 class animals through late summer, but I'm wondering what a couple of these guys would score by October.

Ddear, don't you have anything better to do other than hijack threads?

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here is a bachelor group near where i hunt....

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and those bucks daddy...but he is further in away but he is HUGE!....

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Those are some nice buck!! We have been seeing some nice buck in 5B as well! Looks like it's going to be a great year!! I was worried when we shot 4 nice buck last year off our property, but with the buck we are seeing there should be plenty to go around this year.

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i work in state college and almost all the land around is private..
nice pics by the way... im looking for a place to bow hunt over there after work any takers???

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After the pic I just had developed on my deer cam I would say "Heck Ya!' :)

Lets see if I can get it to work over here.

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Dang!!!!!!!!!!!! PABowhntr that is a nice buck!!!

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AJ. please explain why my last 2 posts were deleted? All I did was state why I didnt think that were going to have a promising buck harvest and also provided you with the info you ask DDear for
Thatno QDMA Biologist ormanager would ever manage their herd at 12 or less deer per square mile.If Ibroke some rule or offended you in any wayI apologize. Thank you. Pike

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J Pike,
I sent you pm on reason. I don't know how I can make it any clearer than I have already.Please refer to the TOPIC. It is not nor will it become WHY you or DDear or anybody else thinks it WON'T be a promising deer season.

This is a Topic with some positive feedback and we/I will keep it that way.

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Well the deer sign and sightings have been very positive at our property as well. We have already seen a hand full of shooters, one of which is a shooter pibald buck. I am hoping to get some pictures to get a better idea of how big they are and where they are traveling. This coming year seems to be shaping up just fine.

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Yes on private land it looks promising , not so sure about public land yet.

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our private lease doesnt look to good so far this year but we never start seeing the deer for about a month yet than they seem to move in so im sure ill see some dandy's. we had some bucks out there last yr that woulda scored easy 150+ so they can only be bigger this year;). 3yrs back a 219" non typ was shot off the property it would have ranked #2 in the state but when he was dragging it out one of the horns popped off guess it was just about ready to shed so he was not alowed 2 enter it for scoring which is a crock because taxidermist put horn back on. His gene's r out there so maybe with a lil luck i can find his son this year. Good luck everyone!