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dogbone13 01-06-2017 10:18 AM

Barnes you get 1 buck tag a year and how many doe tags?

BarnesX.308 01-06-2017 10:57 AM

There are a certain amount of doe tags for each WMU. You can apply for a tag around July or August. Non-residents can apply after that. If there are any left, you can apply for a second tag. Usually you get one.

Down by the cities, they have a lot more. Some guys get 5-10. But in the rural areas, it's usually only one. If you don't send out for a tag by around Labor Day, you're usually SOL in the rural areas.

So, the short answer is: usually one tag in the country and 5 or more in the suburbs.

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 11:16 AM

There are three application dates for most of the state.This past season on July 11 the application for the regular doe license for residents could be sent in, non residents could apply July 18, then on August 1, the first round of unsold licenses could be mailed in and on August 15 the second round of unsold licenses could be sent for. This would allow a total of three doe licenses for all but three WMUs. Many times licenses sell out before the 3rd round in some WMUs. In three WMUs The mail in application started on July 11, for one license, then on August 1 applicants may apply for an unlimited number of licenses but no more than three applications per official envelope, On August 22 if there were any licenses left in the three WMUs applicants could buy unlimited over the counter until the license were all sold out.

BarnesX.308 01-06-2017 11:23 AM

^^^^^ Yeah, what he said. :)

Everyone in my camp applies for one tag and everyone gets it unless they lolly-gag on getting the app in the mail. I think most guys in 3B get one doe tag. A few guys get 2 tags and a few get none. But I think most hunters in my area get one tag.

Some of the old timers refuse to shoot a doe but they are becoming fewer.

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 11:39 AM

I always apply for two in case the landowner needs a deer so I can shoot one for him. He doesn't stay out long because of heart problems. I have never applied for three in the WMU I hunt because I have no need for that many deer but the WMU I hunt does sell out so I apply exactly on time..

BarnesX.308 01-06-2017 11:54 AM

We applied a rule for hunting out of our camp. One buck and one doe per man. And, with my son and my dad hunting, we never are needing for meat anyway.

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 12:18 PM

Not a bad rule.

dogbone13 01-06-2017 01:34 PM

Ok you stated wmu. What about private land or did I miss it.

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 01:37 PM

WMU means wildlife management unit, it includes pubic and private land in the unit.

243shooter 01-06-2017 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bocajnala (Post 4288779)
In an ideal world everyone would be knowledgeable about "QDMA" and practice good habbits, such as shooting matured deer, not just based on number of points... But since you can't trust people to do that, the only way to attempt to enforce it is antler restrictions. I'm sure allot of young 8 points, which would have potential to be real brutes, get shot every year because they are a "legal buck" even though they arent mature.... And every year some heavy and old illegal bucks walk because they don't meet the point requirement.
-Jake

I completely agree. It would be great if most hunters could let the 1 1/2 yo bucks go on their own, but that's not going to happen. And I can't think of any other realistic or enforceable solution. The more I read hear the better APR sounds. Its impossible to make everyone happy. And not trying to be an a--hole, I know a lot of guys that are meat hunters, but I don't think a single one of them would pass on a big, older buck with 150 inches on top of his head, and wait for a tasty little spike.

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 01:49 PM

That isn't the point. There is a world of difference asking hunters to hold back for the health of the deer herd, it is a far different thing to asked them to spend the same amount of money as the bone hunters and force them to hold back to create trophy bucks. That I am unalterably opposed to .

243shooter 01-06-2017 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Oldtimr (Post 4288899)
That isn't the point. There is a world of difference asking hunters to hold back for the health of the deer herd, it is a far different thing to asked them to spend the same amount of money as the bone hunters and force them to hold back to create trophy bucks. That I am unalterably opposed to .

I agree, the point I was trying to make was that the meat hunters may be disappointed that they can't take the first spike they see, but I don't know of any "meat" hunter that wouldn't be happier with a nice eight. And after the first year, in theory, there should be about as many 2 1/2 yo's to shoot for meat as there was 1 1/2 yo spikes or forks the year before. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if its better for the deer herd and it's better for the quality of deer I shoot, I can't see the downside. Other than for the guy that can't shoot the first buck he sees, but by next year there should be enough 2 1/2 yo's coming up to satisfy him, unless he's the one deer hunter in the world who just hates shooting deer with big horns. The guys that say horns don't matter and that they only hunt for meat still smile when they load that 10 pointer in the truck.

dogbone13 01-06-2017 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Oldtimr (Post 4288895)
WMU means wildlife management unit, it includes pubic and private land in the unit.

Ok. Understand now. I was under the impression that public and private had separate guidelines

Oldtimr 01-06-2017 04:18 PM

OK 243, I miss understood your meaning, I can't argue with what you just said. We used to kill close to 70 percent of our year and a half old deer every year, now we have several age classes and much bigger deer all the way around.

BarnesX.308 01-07-2017 11:09 AM

The big mature buck can also appeal to the meat hunter. I'd rather the butcher give me two big boxes than 1 small one. :)

They are harder to drag, though.

mr.mc54 01-08-2017 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by dogbone13 (Post 4288748)
Because of 6 points of that caliber not being able to be shot I am 100% against a 4 point on 1 side restriction. Not trying to start an argument over it but there are better solutions to having mature bucks being killed.

I am with you! We have a 6 pt. well over 200 #'s around here for three years now. Very elusive, when people are in the woods he disappears till Jan. / Feb. I have many pics from summer but nothing after.

No war wanted here , In WI. the herd varies a great deal. I am happy with letting the hunters choose the deer they want to take. In my area we have a lot of deer but when you hunt on public land there isn't a lot of deer to be had. If you want a real trophy you can go to the National forest and go deep in where the big bruisers dwell. Not everyone has the same goals, some it might be just to get out in the great outdoors as others just want venison!:)

dogbone13 01-08-2017 12:23 PM

mc54 what are the deer limits in your state? how long has your state had same limits? from those limits what pro's and cons have you noticed?

kabic 01-10-2017 09:02 AM

Antler restriction promotes older bucks. (and also killing more does)

CWD is found at a higher rate in older bucks.

Wisconsin wants to slow the spread of CWD, so they wont do it.

dogbone13 01-10-2017 03:47 PM

kabic what limits do you have in Wisconsin for deer?

kabic 01-11-2017 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by dogbone13 (Post 4289720)
kabic what limits do you have in Wisconsin for deer?

1 buck for archery or crossbow
1 buck for gun (can use unused gun tag during the muzzle loader season)

I will also mention that party hunting is legal for gun (not archery) under some restrictions( have to be in verbal or visual contact). This allows deer drivers to be legal, i.e the Stander can kill two bucks, and a Pusher can put his tag on one.

So you can kill 2 bucks a year if you hunt both archery and gun.

The number of doe tags available differ depending on what part of the state you are in. Some counties have 0 or very limited doe tags, others have lots available. You get one free doe tag (when you buy your licence) for use in "farmland" areas I believe. Otherwise you can buy more. Detailed information on this is available here: http://dnr.wi.gov/Permits/bonusavailability.html

Some what new is separating doe tag availability by private land\public land

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Youth Deer Hunt Oct. 8 & 9

Gun Deer Hunt for Hunters
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Gun Nov. 19–27

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Statewide Antlerless Hunt Dec. 8–11

Antlerless-only Holiday Hunt Dec. 24–Jan. 1, 2017**

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BarnesX.308 01-12-2017 10:30 AM

I would love to hunt the rut with my rifle. Our archery season ends the 2nd Saturday in November and rifle starts the Monday after Thanksgiving (Nov 28 - Dec 2, depending on year).

We are a 1 buck state.

ggw44 01-12-2017 12:19 PM

I live in W/C Michigan, we let some bucks walk, some we don't, the first week may let a 6pt walk, week two no tagged deer, he won't make it by, lets not take the fun out of deer hunting with QDM !!!!

VTBoneCollector 01-12-2017 01:50 PM

We have an antler restriction in Vermont. A legal buck must have 2 points on one side and that 2nd point must be an inch or longer. Do I think we have a healthier deer herd because of it? That's out of my realm of knowledge. I'm not a biologist but I wish that we would have at least a 3 point restriction so that we could get an older age class of bucks. Then I would feel like we were getting somewhere. There still a lot of 1 1/2 year old bucks being shot.

alleyyooper 01-12-2017 02:26 PM

I would really like to know why people only want a old buck to shoot yet will tag a button buck with a antlerless tag. Surely people can tell a button buck is a tiny deer compared to a adult full grown doe.


All you have to do is go to the deer pictures thread above and read the comments about good eating on those tiny button bucks and does.


Letting a buck grow old, I just don't see how that makes for a healthy herd really. Our herd is health now and I don't see letting a buck grow a monster rack makes it any more healthy.


Here every DMU better have the very same rules other wise your just going to make a poacher out of a other wise legal hunter.


Can you really tell a spike was shot in DMU 37 and Not DMU 38 where spikes are legal?


:D Al

dogbone13 01-12-2017 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by VTBoneCollector (Post 4290019)
We have an antler restriction in Vermont. A legal buck must have 2 points on one side and that 2nd point must be an inch or longer. Do I think we have a healthier deer herd because of it? That's out of my realm of knowledge. I'm not a biologist but I wish that we would have at least a 3 point restriction so that we could get an older age class of bucks. Then I would feel like we were getting somewhere. There still a lot of 1 1/2 year old bucks being shot.


antler restriction at 2 points on 1 side is almost a joke I would have to say. I do agree with 3 points on 1 side but 4 on 1 side keeps mature 6 points from being shot which is completely stupid.

mature is mature and points doesn't make a deer any more mature. I also understand people don't know how to age bucks so you have to do the obvious and do antler points to have a restriction that is enforceable

BarnesX.308 01-13-2017 05:14 AM

A 4-pointer is most assuredly a yearling. Maybe in some rare cases it wouldn't be, but I'm sure that restriction doesn't save many yearlings.

bdog2003 11-24-2017 12:25 PM

I hunt in southeast Minnesota and we have had an antler point restriction for the past 6 years ( at least 4 pts on one side). It's the best thing to happen to our area during my 23 years of deer hunting. It took 2-3 years to notice a change but now we see so many more 3+ year old bucks running around. It has really made bow hunting fun knowing that there are deer 150" or larger that can come by at any moment. We have a couple trail cameras out in the early fall to get an inventory of deer. The last 3 years we have always had more mature deer on camera than young bucks. A lot of "meat" hunters were against it in the beginning but now I haven't heard of anyone that doesn't like the outcome. Even the meat hunters are shooting trophy class deer.

d80hunter 11-24-2017 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by 243shooter (Post 4288071)
New here. I posted about this on another forum (gbo), but seems to be kinda dead over there compared to what it was a few years ago. Anyhow, would like to know what other hunters think about this. If you have it in your state and how its working out, or if you would like to see it in Wisconsin. I wouldn't be opposed, my group and I have been letting the little yearlings (spikes, forks, and sixes) go for quite a few years now. I don't really have a problem with anyone shooting a legal buck, but of coarse wouldn't mind seeing more/bigger bucks myself. To me, if you're looking for some venison, you may as well shoot a doe and let that fork turn into an eight next year. I'm not really a "trophy" hunter (if I held out for a "trophy" I'd never shoot anything), I'm happy with a 2 1/2 year old eight pointer, but I think APR would improve the chances of seeing 3 1/2 or older bucks. Enough of my rambling, what do you guys think?

It sounds like an idea to improve the chance of getting a trophy buck. But I don't like it because it is putting meat hunters or those who feel lucky enough to even get a deer behind hunters who want antlers, pictures, and bragging rights.

In theory if you don't shoot small antelered deer then those small antelered deer will become larger antelered deer. But many are looking for meat and who would I, or anyone else be, for telling others how to hunt.

Honestly if people are upset over not getting a trophy every year to the point of lobbying the government then they are impatient. A trophy buck should be somewhat rare or the results of a hard effort, not every other deer and decently not at the expense of other hunters.

lax 12-05-2017 06:06 AM

I'd be happy if Wisconsin would just make you burn your buck tag on button bucks instead of allowing one to use their antlerless tag.

SHORN 02-02-2018 05:23 AM

How is letting a buck grow to 5 or 6 years old helping the biology of the deer herd?
I do not shoot does unless it is late in the season and I haven't gotten a buck to put in the freezer (not a trophy hunter). Shoot three does off your property and next year you have lost at least three fawns probably more like five with 2 of them being buck fawns that never have a chance to reach your magical 5 to 6 years of age. I really don't think we need the dnr telling us what a quality deer should be there job is to manage the herd numbers not make us into trophy hunters. If you don't want to shoot little bucks don't, let it cross the fence the neighbor will.


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