Land owner problem
 

I have a neighbor who is always messing with me. I caught him dumping deer away all along our line fence today and can't believe someone would go to the trouble of doing this, to just mess with a guy. I have been a land owner of this property for over 12 years now and have never had any trouble with other neighbors in the area. He also ties white plastic bags on all the runways that run between his property and mine. He puts out manakins in orange suits in diferent areas also. I have never shot onto his property or over our line fence. I have a permanent box blind 8 feet off the property line and faces away from his property. The reason for the stand location is I have been failing in health and cannot climb a tree any longer and cannot walk very far. My wife drops me off and picks me up when I call her.

What is wrong with people that they would do this? I still get deer, however, this guy takes the fun out of being out in the woods. I know the stand location is what has him upset, but the alternative is to give up hunting and I am just sick about doing this. I talked to him today and explained all the above however he said he can "dump his garbage any where he wants on his property".

Has anyone ever had any experience with this deer away stuff?
How long does it last and do the deer eventually get used to it?

Any tips would be appreciated! I just had to vent.

Bad neighbors suck. Some people just have nothing better to do than try to make other people as miserable as they are. Be the bigger man and just wave to him eveytime you see him. Eventually he'll give up if he thinks it doesn't bother you. Good Luck!

I wouldn't sink to his level. You are still getting deer so enjoy your hunting days. Some of that deer away may get over on your prop and then it could screw things up for you.

I hear YA
 

I hunt about 50 yrds off property line and my GUY next door rides his golf gart along property line every time deer come out in the field he can see the field from his house so that spot is no good til snow falls or it gets to cold for him to take his ride .Talk to the game warden there is such a thing called harassing the hunter

Me and my brother lost our hunting spot of 10 years this year, so my brother went hunting with a buddy whose family owns a section of woods. The woods is actually landlocked and as my brothers buddy was sitting in his stand a guy walked in and told him he had to leave. They told this fella he was mistaken, as this property was owned by a family member and they had permission. This guy wanted to argue the neighbor owned this place. Anyway the guy finally left, only to return 10 minutes later with SEVEN friends who acted like they were squirrel hunting right next door and just fired shot after shot for a good half hour. Earlier in the week my brothers bud was walking to his stand in the dark and along the field about 2 feet from the woods someone yells out "good luck" and absolutely scared the tar out of him. The field is actually owned by the neighbor but the woods is owned by my brothers buddies family. I told them the next time it happens to report it to the warden. Not sure if they could prove anything as they were doing this on their property, but there is no doubt what their real intentions were. Situations such as this are really unfortunate, as my brother and his friend have not hunted there since. So really by giving up you are letting them win, but it's also very hard to have a productive hunt with people like this.

I know it is against the law to harass a hunter, however is it worth all the hassle, cuz this guy say's he can dump his garbage any where on hs property. I know the plastic bags stink cuz I can smell them and the stuff he is pouring along the fence smells like deer-Away. I don't want to fight with him anymore, just want to be left alone! I don't know what to do since my hunting is limited to easy access areas only.

I have heard a lot of stories about landowner problems but i have to admit when i read that this guy dresses up manicins in orange suits my iced tea ended up on my monitor. This guy must have some real issues. Ultimately that is up to you if you want to hassle with it, seems obvious to me though that he wants to intefere with your hunting. But i can also understand not wanting to potentially make things worse then they already are. Like i said, it's just an unfortunate situation.

I would call the dnr tip line (1-800-TIP-WDNR) (1-800-847-9367) and at least explain your situation. Maybe this guy thinks you will just roll over and quit hunting, but maybe a visit from a game warden will make him think otherwise. Seeing as how you're already on the brink of giving up hunting in the area, I don't see how it can get much worse. I would suggest taking a camera with you and documenting as much of this as you possibly can. As far as the deer away goes, it's tough to prove, but just because it's his land doesn't mean he can dump caustic chemicals wherever he wants. You may also want to talk to the neighbors surrounding him and see if they have had any problems with him as well, it would sure help if you had some support. Good luck in whatever path you choose. Where in WI are ya? I live in Stevens Point but hunt up near Pelican Lake in NW Langlade County. Who knows, maybe one of these times this guy is out trying to bother you a pack of wolves will take care of him for ya!

I hate this crap too. I see it both ways but I disagree in the crap the guys is doing. I own some land here in Texas and there are leases to the south and west of me. These guys have all there stands and feeders facing towards my fence line and the roads we drive in. We got a 20 acre wheat feild along a draw and these guys put feeders and stands less than 75 yards away. These guys pay alot money to kill a deer they are gonna do it there way. It something you have to deal with as a landowner or even a leaser. I dont go as far as hanging bags and stuff. Just kinda ****ty if you ask me. Anyways, these city hunters that drive down on weekends to hunt get in there stands like 2 hour earlier than I do. I know it pisses them off when I drive right by there stands and feeders to go get in mine. So I know it works both ways. My advice is..you wont win the battle. Find a new lease so theres no worries. If you own the land.... lease it out to like 20 hunters that just want to kill deer for meat. He might be calling you wanting you to hunt it again who knows. Anyways Thats my two cents. :)

There is nothing more frusterating than neighboring land-owner issues. I have seen first hand SO many problems with people hunting over other peoples fields because of the property line and easements that get all screwed up, people put up gates and...what a mess. I really feel for you. We were looking at several properties and the realtor wouldnt tell us about any issues (we had heard there was with this one property) so we talked to the neighbor and it was just a nightmare!! needless to say we passed on that property

There are always two sides to the story. I wonder if you are shooting young bucks. We have a QDM hunting land which all our neighbors participate except one. The neighbor who doesn't participate shoots between 4-8 yearling bucks every year and rarely if ever a doe. We just about want to strangle the bastard. We have done everything we can to make that side of our land unattractive to deer.

Did you contact the local DNR Warden? It sounds to me like there could be some illegal stuff happening which might make his pucker factor shut down the hyjinks.

Give me a break!! That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So let me get this straight: you own land and not only get to decide what gets shot on yours but your neighbors also? That is incredibly ignorant. Maybe your neighbor doesn't care about "trophy" deer. Do you pay their property taxes? Do you upkeep there land? If you answered no to both of those questions why would you have any right to try to "manage" the deer that they shoot. Just because you do something doesn't make it right!!

Every place is different. And yes,you are exactly right in what you say about it really being up to the landowner. That being said, I see what he's saying. Especially prevelant around us, QDM is a pretty widely accepted and practiced thing. I mean, why not try to produce the best quality herds and ultimately, bucks that you can.(this includes taking does) Any hunter who says they dont aspire to, or has dreams of shooting a dandy is lying. And like i said, even though you are right, he's paying to hunt HIS land, let him be, I do know the potential frusterations, because the more people practicing, the higher the likelihood of getting more and more quality deer in an area. just my .02cents:happy0001:

Regardless, we all are in it for the same reason, the love of the outdoors and hunting. It's a shame all these quarrels come up between neighboring landowners. I can attest firsthand

Well hes has a point. Always two sides of the story. I think that there needs to be mutal agreement and figure out what the problems is. I own land like I said. Guys south of me shoot anything that cross the fence. 4 corns,small six's etc. Meat hunters forsay. Theres nothing you can do. I mean I could sit out there and play my radio in the morning make all kinds of racket, hang deer away or w/e its called but its not worth the trouble. Theres still alot of old fashion hunters that just shoot for meat or w/e they see. They are hurting there chances of killing the big one. My logic to this is ..If you cant get a mutal agreement with this guy then "F*** Him". Hes not worth the trouble. Talk to game warden see what you can do. By hanging those bags... wouldnt it keep deer off his land too? I feel ya. I hope that you can fix this whole ordeal

I will comment on this post;

- all I want is to be left alone.
- All I want is to still, hunt, with my time running out.
- I am on my land and pay my tax's, obey the laws and take what ever presents its-self for my freezer.
- I don't eat horn soup nor do I care too at this juncture of my life. I just want to hunt.
-If you like QDM more power to ya! Your neighbor doesn't have to.
The (BASTARD) as you call him can kill what ever he wishes and thanks you for passing all those 2 1/2 year old bucks. This is why QDM won't work unless you have the whole area in it.

Why is it wrong for one man to shoot and eat what ever comes by, buck or doe.
My Son and the hunters on our land have higher standards than myself. They shoot to manage our land and I don't have a problem with that.
Its great to kill a BC or PY, but as I got older and my health has failed me, the important thing is to get a deer!!!

Just a note, I was a very staunch supporter of QDM till my health went south on me. Now my opinions have changed, I don't condemn anyone for what he believes or does and hope he won't condemn me.

Good Hunting!

Well if he's dumping garbage and putting up those plastic bags, have they or do they ever end up on your property? He may be able to dump on his property (which I really don't know the legality of that) but if his garbage ends up on your property then he's littering.

Heres my two cents again from your last thread:

Well if you get your deer every year and that’s the whole point you just explained in your last thread, then maybe you’re the problem as well. Maybe he’s trying to manage a deer herd so he can take quality mature bucks like the majority of us want to. Doe are a great way of filling your freezer as well and it also helps manage the herd in the area. This guy is trying to manage deer herd and grow mature bucks and then on the other hand your filling your freezers with whatever crosses the fence. So that might be the source of the problem. Talk to the guy come to an agreement if you’re tired of him doing what he’s doing. I'm sure he’s not out there doing what he’s doing to do it for hell of it. As I am one of those guys that love to kill doe for meat and try to shoot mature bucks and manage my deer herd for the better. You own your land you pay your taxes... well good for you. Maybe it’s your pride and ego that’s the problem too. Dont be so bitter over it. It’s not going to fix the problem. I’m not trying to be dick but I hate when immature deer are killed to fill freezers when there are plenty of doe out there to do it with. You also will put more meat in the freezer when you kill that buck. (Mature, Management) It's a new day and age of hunting and you have to understand that. You have every right to kill what you want, but Intel you actually see it his way too, you guys will keep in this state of bickering and you will not enjoy your hunting. Good Hunting

I can't speak for mrmc54 but I know that alot of areas in Wisconsin don't have the deer numbers that they used too. That being said the area that I hunt is one of them that the numbers are way down. There are lots of areas here that you can't shoot a doe!! And my area some doe tags are available but when nobody in the area are seeing any does (or getting any on trail cams) shooting a mature doe is making your hunting go backwards. Maybe in his area it is different and there are many does but every area isn't just loaded with does like everyone here seems to think.

To Hoyt 21:

Unlike Texas (Im guessing from your picture that is where your from) the Wisconsin deer population has suffered quite a bit the past couple years. When a lot of people rely on the venison to put food on the table they aren't going to pass up the opportunity. Lets say that you go out and don't see deer the whole time until the last day when a forker walks by. Do you expect him to pass on it and eat his tag instead of providing food for the family? IMO its his choice on what he wants to shoot and his neighbor, although it isn't the way he hunts, should accept the fact that people hunt for different reasons. This gentleman has had health problems and loves hunting in general. If he has the time of his life taking what others view as a little buck, then nobody should be putting him down or attempting to prevent him from taking a deer the next year. How do you think his neighbor would feel if the situation was reversed?

Sorry for the long post but its angers me when people get mad at what others shoot on their own land. I'd be happy for him and would enjoy sharing the moment with him and hearing his deer hunting stories.

AMEN.... that post actually kind of ticked me off. Try hunting where you can't shoot does once... I remember when you couldn't, not without hunters choice permit.

I really don't think I could have said it better brother.

Thanks for the post! It means alot to me, to know that there are unselfish hunters still out there.:)

You know what, I wasn't going to even acknowledge your post but feel a need to set the record straight.

I am not "Bitter" or have an "ego" problem. I just want to enjoy the outdoors w/o problems from this guy. I have tried to make peace and he lies to me about what is going on. I had suspicions about what he was doing but until I caught him dumping his **** on the stand with me in it, I had no proof. In my healthier day's things may have been different for him, but now I am at his mercy.

Kinda sad isn't it? Why do some want to own the deer herd and bully those who don't think the way they do. Why do some want to manage their land and also want to manage all the neighbors too? Why would a man pick on a neighbor who has limited days left in the field and make his hunting miserable? I feel, GREED, is the problem and alot of it has to do with the break down of the reasons we hunted deer and the traditions, deer hunters used to hold dear to their hearts. We used to hunt deer and enjoy our friends and relatives company, now it seems bigger bucks, and record books are all that matters. Hunters are breaking the law and abusing other hunters, just to better their standing. Is this what Hunters want? Not me!

I know not all hunters are this way but it has changed a great deal in my life time.

I too own land in Northern Wisconsin. I live here, I pay the taxes, and manage my land. I keep my trails passable for easy removal of game and enjoyment of my land for walks and bird hunting. And I will shoot anything legal, that I want to shoot. I have no fence neighbors unless you count the federal forest. But if I did, it would make no difference. I would still do the same thing.

My theory on monster bucks.. if one happens by, lucky me. If a four pointer passes by... lucky me. If you want to raise monster bucks or hunt only monster bucks.. good for you. Maybe I can have one walk past me, or then maybe shoot his younger sibling.

If mr.mc54 wants to shoot small bucks all day long on his property. Good for him. I'd back him 100%. Even if the neighbors want to practice buck management measures. They do not own the deer herd. And it is not for anyone to say what someone should do on their own land.

It sounds like your neighbor has a real mental problem. I would leave him alone. If I saw him near the fence area I would have a talk with him and ask him why he pours stuff on the ground or ties garbage to trees. If he is not willing to explain his reasons to you, then he can stuff it. But I would photograph him doing his stuff and his garbage and the first time one of his bags blew over on my property I would be on the phone to him. If that brought no satisfaction, then it would be the sheriff''s department.

You hunt as long as you like and any legal way you like. Good luck to you. I hope you shoot a nice deer this year.

that is sad when you have to go through all that on your own land. its your land you can shoot what you want to.i know what you mean when you say you have limited days in the field my grandpa was the one who got me into hunting and always let me tag along on all the deer hunts and bird hunts with everybody. he is 86 and had a stroke 2 years ago and it sickens me that he cant go out with me any more the sad thing is when he was 83 he could walk as many fields as i could while bird hunting with me we did get out and dove hunted once this year hopefully i can take him on a hog hunt in texas the first of the year. and he can get something. by the way have you had any luck this year? would like to see pics if you have got one this year.

Sort of suprised no one mentioned it but dumping garbage even on his own land might be illegal!

Have you talked to the game Warden?

JW..........

My cross-bow (archery) season was ruined by his dumping deer-a-way along the fence line. Gun hunting, I did dump a very large doe opening morning at 07:15. When I got out of my box blind the Moron was set up thirty yards behind me. I dressed my deer out and went home. He just doesn't want "his deer" to come on my property. I'll be out there next year, God willing.:s1:

As a landowner the problem seems obvious to me.

You have a permanent stand 8 feet off the property line.

You say you have never had problems with other neighbors but have you ever built stands so close to the property line with them? If a nice deer is on the other side of the fence I doubt most hunters would respect that property line if no one was looking.

Like others here, I would like to hear the other side of the story. If you came and built a stand 8 feet from my property line, I would be upset as well. I would not do what your neighbor has done because I believe two wrongs don't make a right. Have respect for your neighbors. I'm glad you are not my neighbor.

So the hell what? Its on his property. A decent person doesn't start assuming that he will shoot deer on your land. Give the old guy a break. Its folks like his neighbor that give hunters a bad name.

Years back when I was younger dad and I hunted bad genetics instead of monster bucks. This one idiot owned the land on two sides of ours, and treatied with a PETA freak on the third side of our land. It was a pain in the ass. They just assumed things about us, and completely ruined two seasons of ours. That is two seasons with my dad that I will never get back.

Um, you don't own the deer. And he's shooting legal deer.

The. End.

Get over it.

THE BLIND FACES AWAY FROM HIS LAND! I also said previously, I cannot climb a tree so this is an area I have been hunting where my wife can drop me off with the utv and pick me up. I have been hunting this spot for over 12 years, with no trouble from the previous land owners. I might add, I would never shoot on his land or anyone elses. I also think you are wrong about (most hunters respecting a property line). Hunting ethics are still very important to hunters. How can you say I am disrespecting my neighbors? I am on my land, minding my own business. I don't get it!

I totally agree!! You are spot on! I hope you have a great season God bless.

We hunt approximately 2,000 acres in kansas my dad manages and farms. We also have permission to hunt other farmland as well. As much as we would like to participate in QDM, it just isn't possible. Between the poachers who road shoot nice deer and the farmers who want all of them dead, its hard to manage a herd.

We have watched a deer on camera and in the fields for two years and he was up to a heavy 11 point. We found his carcass in the edge of a field last month with the cape and rack gone. This is what makes it hard for some to do this.

Landowners that have given me permission said that I could hunt only if I agreed to kill the "mowers" whether they be doe, buck, or yearling. I will let a doe or two pass but I will not let many pass. These guys are losing acres of beans and milo to deer every year.

But, we own the property and we are going to do what we wish with the herd. We try to let smaller bucks go but they eat just like the bigger ones and that is important as well. If a big buck doesnt present himself, a smaller one or some does will go instead. We may let a nice 6 walk but when he crosses the fence, the neighbor will kill him.

So, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge what a guy does with his own property... its not our place.

I have a REAL PROBLEM with your thoughts on the stand being too close to the fence line. I think the man can put his stand ANYWHERE he wants to on his own property. That is why he spent his money to buy it, pay taxes on it, maintain it and hunt it as he sees fit. If the neighbor doesn't like it, he could have done what intelligent people do and talk it over with him to see if they couldn't find a mutually beneficial solution to his concern. You attract more flys with honey than vinegar and his adolescent activities are just brewing up more conflict. The sad part is that this particular individual is not up to the task of giving him back any of the grief he is inflicting upon him.

I WISH that I were the one he was playing his games with, I'd have a few up my sleeve for him. I HATE !@#&^%$# like that!

I think you should try to talk to him ( have a witness with you) about what he has been doing and if it does no good, then monitor and document his antics with photos and record keeping. Go see the local prosecutor and see if any charges can be filed for harrassment or hunter harrassment. You could also look at a civil suit. I would not just "take it". He will continue to push because "he can". This gentleman is in his twilight years and there is not any reason to have this JO neighbor ruin another minute of his hunting enjoyment.

Hey Capitalpyro....Did you read the gentleman's original post? He is disabled for the love of Pete! His wife has to drop him off near his stand(stands to reason that's why his stand sits near the fence) and pick him up after the hunt. Do you think he should give his guns away just because he can't hump the bush like he could when he was younger? Get a life!

I'd take the biggest caliber gun you have and shoot the manikins to pieces from a close distance to be sure, of course when he wasn't around, hahah, probably not the best way to solve this problem but it would make me feel better

Being from Wisconsin as well, I do know that the manikin thing isn't illegal.

However, the garbage dumping, and deer corpse dumping most likely are. The garbage dumping most definately. We cannot just dump garbage all over the land in Wisconsin. The DNR has a page about waste handling.

Setup some trail cameras and catch your neighbor in the act. After being fined he will either correct his ways, or will end up in jail.

Sadly, we are dealing with new bad neighbors where my family has our hunting cabin. We had another bad neighbor that sold the land to the current people who are actually worse. The original owner ran a chainsaw all day long, every day of every gun deer season, for every year he owned his land.

He thought the deer were his pets, and he owned land in one of the best hunting areas where the land was all owned hunters aside from him. He should never have bought the land. A very bizarre guy to see the least. I never thought I would miss him.

Now the new owners are hunters, but who posted no trespassing signs and harass anyone who trails a deer onto their land. The rest of the owners don't allow people to hunt on their lands, but we all understand that deer run where they run, and we let each other track and retrieve deer shot as needed. We respect them enough not to gut the deer on their property, and they have done the same until the new people anyways. Typically we have only had to track the bucks shot in the archery season. When most of the land owners only have 40-80 acre plots it doesn't take much for a deer to cross property lines. The only exception is our west line that is next to county land.

The new people harass anyone who goes onto their land, but they expect to be allowed to go onto others land while retrieving their deer. A bit of courtesy would go a long way towards resolving the ugly issues between them and everyone else.

They also have made several permanent ATV trails for themselves in a region where ATV abuse has been such a problem they are banned from all public land. They also have been illegally riding down the fire lane on the west side of our property which has been posted for no ATV use. It's sad, but now we are discussing ways to catch them using the trail illegally so they get fined and possibly have their property seized. 17 years hunting from the same place and we have never had any major problems until a few years ago when the one family bought the land across the street from us.

All I can say is, don't do anything stupid. Gather data, and involve the authorities. Talking won't resolve the OPs problem any more than it will resolve my families issues. Just be careful and don't do anything that you will regret.

It's just hard and frustrating dealing with difficult neighbors.

? Still not seeing the point mr Ek Buckmaster. I give up. Read the intial post the follow up by the guy again.