Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
12-03-2008, 10:48 AM
#13
Spike
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Adams county, Wisconsin
Posts: 22
RE: Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
Our camps gun season was good for the opening weekend and then dead. The best thing for me was my 14 year old son shot his first deer, a broken up 8 point! On Saturday and Sunday we saw abot 20 deer evenly mixed between doe and buck. Monday through Sunday 3 deer seen. A big 10 pt, and a big 8 pt both made it through alive. Our camp shot a doe, two 7 pts., one 6pt., and one 8pt. nothing huge the 6pt won the buck pool. I look forward to getting back to my bow!!
12-07-2008, 05:27 PM
#14
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 16
RE: Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
Wolves are far from the carying capacity. Still lots of farm animals and pets left in the state!! Just by looking at the amount of deer that live in the town of St germain alone one can see the herd is down. Seeing half as many as last year at best. Last year during the deer season while playing cards we could watch over 50 deer every night come into my feeder a mile from town. This year we seen 3 deer at the feeder all season. These are unhunted town pets. Only predators are cars, coyotes, and wolves.
Steve White
Steve White
12-10-2008, 10:29 PM
#15
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
RE: Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
I have a friend who talked to his neighbor. The Dad and son hunted the Chequamegon. While on stand they saw five wolves. Three were near their tree stand. And when they walked out, two wolves followed them out.
They did not see any deer either.
The gentleman who mentioned the insurance companies.. is right on the money. They wanted the herd shot off and now they got it. Well if you want to teach the DNR a good lesson, don't buy a deer license for three years. And we can watch the herd grow back to some respectable numbers.
They did not see any deer either.
The gentleman who mentioned the insurance companies.. is right on the money. They wanted the herd shot off and now they got it. Well if you want to teach the DNR a good lesson, don't buy a deer license for three years. And we can watch the herd grow back to some respectable numbers.
12-12-2008, 12:57 PM
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: N/W WI.
Posts: 814
RE: Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
We saw three deer in ten days of hunting hard in Dunn county WI. (I saw none ) In years past we would see deer all day-those days are gone.
EAB works guys-lets kill em all.I did however see a squirel. two grouse and a pheasant.
EAB works guys-lets kill em all.I did however see a squirel. two grouse and a pheasant.
12-15-2008, 08:08 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 239
RE: Dead Wisconsin deer hunting
First, knowing who the enemy is, is the place to start. Sure insurance companies don't want deer but they haven't done near the damage as the Dept of Agriculture has done. They are a much more powerful foe than the insurance companies. They are afraid of CWD and TB and are the ones behind the state wide goal of 700,000 deer. It didn't help that the DNR's method of counting deer was off by 40-60% and we are a lot closer to that goal than even the DNR knew. The Dept of Agriculture has also put up a road block on the DNR's plan to reintroduce elk to Wisconsin by boosting the number of elk in Clam Lake and Black River Falls. The DNR and RMEF have a good plan, have done the research, the study herd of 25 is now 150 and in need of genetics and reinforcements. The plan stopped dead in its tracks by a Dept. of Agriculture's ban on transporting elk.
Meanwhile, our other enemy, tree huggers, have managed to get the wolves relisted as Federally endangered. Wisconsin DNR has a good wolf plan. The want 350 wolves 500 max. We were near 600, when the wolves were delisted for that short period of time, the DNR killed as many wolves as they could. 37 I think. Relisted Sept. 29, 2008, Wisconsin DNR wolf managment plan is useless. They do not have control from the Feds.
Now 560 wolves hasn't really been a problem so far. The deer herd is down state wide and yes the wolves have killed a lot of deer in some areas but the real credit for numbers down is DNR hunting tags, Ag tags, and winter kill. Can't blame wolves for deer numbers in central to southern Wisconsin and numbers are down all over.
HOWEVER, 142 wolf packs the DNR says we have now, will have on average 5-6 pups per wolf pack. A good year, each wolf pack could have 2 litters per year. With one litter each next year we could have 700-850 MORE wolves by this time next year. 1400 wolves WILL KILL A LOT OF DEER! On average, Wisconsin wolves kill 18 deer per wolf per year. If you think 560 wolves did damage to the deer poplation this past year, wait till we have 1400 next year and 2200 the year after.
The wolf battle grounds are out west, it's a new problem for Wisconsin and we are just an afterthought in the war. We need to join nation orginizations who are fighting this battle. RMEF has spent over $5,000,000 in Wisconsin for elk research, habit restoration and education while also fighting this nation wolf battle. Biologists say to maintain a wolf population at the levels the feds are requiring, we are going to need elk or risk loosing the deer bear and a lot of small game and gamebirds to the predators. The bear population is only at a point where a hunter can get a tag every 9 years. Because of wolves and the decline in deer, now they want to sell more bear tags to ease the pressure on deer. Next year they plan to put out 6000 more bear tags. That nearly drops the bear population in half. That won't help the 9 year waiting list. The only way to keep deer hunting and bear hunting is to bring back elk and get control over the wolves. It's as simple as putting together a working food chain. Hunters, bears, wolves and deer does not make a good food chain. Te biologists want hunters, bears, wolves, deer, elk and bison. In stead of 1.7 million deer, they want 1.7 million big game animals with as many native species as they can return to the north woods. With the correct plan, we could be hunting all of the above within 20 years or we could have no big game to hunt in northern Wisconsin with in the next 10 years.
The first step is to get control of the wolves. I'm sending the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation my $35 membership to help them fight to get the wolves off the Ferderal endangered species list and to help them save the 150 elk we have in Clam Lake. It could be the one move we make that saves deer, bear and big game hunting for our grandchildren. If not RMEF there are 18 other hunting groups out there that are joining forces with RMEF to fight the wolves. Find one, join 1 and lets get that job done. Our short term and long term hunting future depends on it.
Meanwhile, our other enemy, tree huggers, have managed to get the wolves relisted as Federally endangered. Wisconsin DNR has a good wolf plan. The want 350 wolves 500 max. We were near 600, when the wolves were delisted for that short period of time, the DNR killed as many wolves as they could. 37 I think. Relisted Sept. 29, 2008, Wisconsin DNR wolf managment plan is useless. They do not have control from the Feds.
Now 560 wolves hasn't really been a problem so far. The deer herd is down state wide and yes the wolves have killed a lot of deer in some areas but the real credit for numbers down is DNR hunting tags, Ag tags, and winter kill. Can't blame wolves for deer numbers in central to southern Wisconsin and numbers are down all over.
HOWEVER, 142 wolf packs the DNR says we have now, will have on average 5-6 pups per wolf pack. A good year, each wolf pack could have 2 litters per year. With one litter each next year we could have 700-850 MORE wolves by this time next year. 1400 wolves WILL KILL A LOT OF DEER! On average, Wisconsin wolves kill 18 deer per wolf per year. If you think 560 wolves did damage to the deer poplation this past year, wait till we have 1400 next year and 2200 the year after.
The wolf battle grounds are out west, it's a new problem for Wisconsin and we are just an afterthought in the war. We need to join nation orginizations who are fighting this battle. RMEF has spent over $5,000,000 in Wisconsin for elk research, habit restoration and education while also fighting this nation wolf battle. Biologists say to maintain a wolf population at the levels the feds are requiring, we are going to need elk or risk loosing the deer bear and a lot of small game and gamebirds to the predators. The bear population is only at a point where a hunter can get a tag every 9 years. Because of wolves and the decline in deer, now they want to sell more bear tags to ease the pressure on deer. Next year they plan to put out 6000 more bear tags. That nearly drops the bear population in half. That won't help the 9 year waiting list. The only way to keep deer hunting and bear hunting is to bring back elk and get control over the wolves. It's as simple as putting together a working food chain. Hunters, bears, wolves and deer does not make a good food chain. Te biologists want hunters, bears, wolves, deer, elk and bison. In stead of 1.7 million deer, they want 1.7 million big game animals with as many native species as they can return to the north woods. With the correct plan, we could be hunting all of the above within 20 years or we could have no big game to hunt in northern Wisconsin with in the next 10 years.
The first step is to get control of the wolves. I'm sending the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation my $35 membership to help them fight to get the wolves off the Ferderal endangered species list and to help them save the 150 elk we have in Clam Lake. It could be the one move we make that saves deer, bear and big game hunting for our grandchildren. If not RMEF there are 18 other hunting groups out there that are joining forces with RMEF to fight the wolves. Find one, join 1 and lets get that job done. Our short term and long term hunting future depends on it.
