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rick64 08-21-2008 02:39 PM

Hounds running deer
 
There's discussion about hounds on the South section http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2972809
What would you Midwest hunters think of hounds running deer on your properties and houndsmen coming on your lands anytime day/night to round up their packs during archery season or any other time of the year?

Lanse couche couche 08-21-2008 02:48 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Moot point because those activities are illegal in most, if not all of the midwest. Not necessarily the same case in other areas. In the case of Virginia, that you are harping on here, some of those activities may already be illegal, its just that the authorities won't enforce the laws. That's the problem. Different areasof the country have different laws and traditions.

Personally, I'd be more worried about the still hunters who sneak on to land to poach and who ruin trees by nailing their stands to trees or abandoning them and letting them grow into the trees. But the thought of some dogs running a big buck right at me while i am sitting there in my stand has some appeal to it[8D]That's what happens sometimes when the coyote hounds come thru my part of southeastern Illinois.

rick64 08-21-2008 03:05 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
LCC, are you afraid that someone has a opinion different than you? Illegal or not, someone can still have a opinion abouthounds, baiting, roadhunters, spotlighting......

I know your a expert on VA's laws concerning running hound, so I will not try to point out all things that are incorrect in your post. Go ahead and slant it how ever you want.

From your post it looks like VA isn't the only state with unethical hunters, in VA they call them "Fox" hounds when they run out of season;)

Lanse couche couche 08-21-2008 03:16 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
To the contrary, I have no doubt that many midwesterners view things much differently then me and understand why. There is no tradition of deer hound hunting up here and local conditions in terms of landholdings would make it very difficult for it to have developed here. Its something totally foreign. So, i fully expect to get taken to task by folks here, especially deer hunters, based on their experiences and understanding of the situation. However, what I do find highly ironic is that the support from your own fellow Virginia hunters is so lukewarm in this matter that you have to go elsewhere to get some love. Well, you're gonna get it here, but unless some of these fellas are registered to vote in Virginia, it won't do you much good.[&:]

formula1 08-21-2008 08:39 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
I grew up hunting with hounds in the swamps of S. georgia, stuff so thick and nasty you have to crawl to get through it. A great place for dog deer hunting. The midwest is very different terrain and as it should be, very different hunting.

In days past, there was never an issue for dog hunters going on other landowners property to retrieve dogs after a hunt. Landowners, even if they weren't dog hunters, worked together with one another. In this day of me,me,me and smaller tracts of land, it's made dog hunting a dying tradition. But I tell you what, so of my best memories of deer hunting are on the dog club with my Dad, brother, and uncle. It created my love for hunting and I will never forget it.

I just thought you might like a perspective from one who actually has been a part of it! Thanks for indulging me!

uncle matt 08-21-2008 09:05 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Pass some popcorn. Whenever the subject of dogs running deer comes up it always gets good. Especially when the SSS comes into it.

And put some REAL butter on the popcorn would ya? I don't like that "buttery topping" stuff. Just yellow Crisco if ya ask me.

solocamcan 08-22-2008 01:23 AM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
I would give up deer hunting if dogs were running all over IL but I know IL and the South are WAY different types of ground.

rick64 08-22-2008 05:50 AM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Thanks for the input. Contrary to what others say, VA isn't looking to end hunting with hounds. They are doing a study on hunting with hounds to identify the problems and what can be done to correct them. Most of the problems center around deer being run with houndsand the "right to retrieve" law.

Your going to have hunters that say the only way you can kill a deer is with hounds and I understand that. That's the only way they have ever hunted, but other hunters and landowners have had enough with the running on posted lands and out of season.

F1 didn't GA make some changes to the regs concerning running hounds, but they didn't ban it?

Matt what's the SSS? Your right in that it's a big drama, to make thing worse, the VHDA(VA Hunting Dog Alliance) stood arm in arm with PETA and HSUS to block lifting the ban on Sunday hunting in VA last Jan.

Lanse couche couche 08-22-2008 09:40 AM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Darn, not a whole lot of love here either.

Actually folks, the animal rights folks have their hand in this as well, but apparently some folks like Rick (who probably has good intentions) like the taste of the Kool Aid. See the information I posted in the Sporting Dogs section.

yodeldog3 08-22-2008 08:57 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
I don't think there's any difference between a guy running his dogs across you posted land, or the same guy walking it with a gun. And as far as the PETA thing goes,, anybody standing arm to arm with them can't call themselves sportsmen of any kind. The erra of running the dogs may very well be a thing of the past, just like hangings,spanking your kids, and penny bubblegum.

formula1 08-24-2008 09:05 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Spanking your children ain't dead and neither is dog hunting for deer in the South, not by a longshot. You opinion is simply your opinion and not based in fact or law.

turkey harvester 08-25-2008 10:45 AM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
People will bitch about dog runners till the end of time. In missouri it's illegal to run dogs, do we, hell yes we do. People who gripe about dog runners or say I'll quit hunting deer if it is legalized, then quit. The woods will be with less people. Dog runners don't wipe deer out and they don't go trespassing on peoples property. Thats why they have tracking collers. People hunt with dogs where I live and they will continue to do so. If the out-of-state hunters don't like it then stay in your state and shut up. People who bitch about dog runners killing lots of deer need to ride with a dog runner, mostly driving and listening to the beautiful sound of dogs. Beagles not hounds.

rick64 08-25-2008 04:32 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 

ORIGINAL: turkey harvester

People will bitch about dog runners till the end of time. In missouri it's illegal to run dogs, do we, hell yes we do. People who gripe about dog runners or say I'll quit hunting deer if it is legalized, then quit. The woods will be with less people. Dog runners don't wipe deer out and they don't go trespassing on peoples property. Thats why they have tracking collers. People hunt with dogs where I live and they will continue to do so. If the out-of-state hunters don't like it then stay in your state and shut up. People who bitch about dog runners killing lots of deer need to ride with a dog runner, mostly driving and listening to the beautiful sound of dogs. Beagles not hounds.
That'sthe type ofstatementthat's giving houndsmen such a poor reputation. If the hounds don't go on prohibited land, why is it such a problem with getting rid of the right-to-retrieve in VA. At least the VA houndsmen are honestenough tosay they can't keep their dogs off posted lands and it is necessary for them to trespass to recover the dogs.

Anyone in eastern VA doesn't have to ride with a houndsmen, they'll run their packs across your land whether you want them to or not.

If it's illegal for you to run hounds for deer in Missouri, what other laws do you break, trespassing, spotlighting, road hunting......or do you just pick and choose the ones you want to obey.

Perfect ending to your post. Beagles are classified as HOUNDS, I would think any "houndsmen" would know that.


F1 other that the animal rights nuts, nobody wants it banned. They just want the houndsmen to stop p*ssing on landowners and other hunters.

yodeldog3 08-25-2008 07:55 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
Well put, If any man wants to run his dogs good for him. I think you have the right to do what you want. When he comes onto my property, and I'm in a stand , he better hope I'm bow hunting. If running dogs is leagal in your state, good for you,,,it's not in Illinois. It's leagal to run dogs on coyote, and fox. The guys here in Il. run walkers, I know guys that do it, I've been the shooter many times, but they will shoot a dog in a new york second that gets on a white tail , and so they should.

Buck Hunter 1 08-26-2008 07:05 AM

RE: Hounds running deer
 
I have a lab and bird hunt. Never hunted deer w/ hounds, have w/for bunnies,coons. IOf course I never hunter over bait until i moved to MI. I am an original PA hunter at heart, go out and scout pick stands and hunt them. We do deer drives and i'm telling you we drive some thick,thick jagger bushes on mountain laurel hillsides and river hill sides. I hunted MI swamps and by god you have to be careful in there. But as much as I want to say go get em' hounders, I just can't at this time. I have never been afraid of others walking in my hunting area as I have killed as many deer from them eluding the hunter. Heck 1/2 don't know i'm there. I hunt Ohio and PA now, and I think for now the rules are working for me, might change as I can't go in the deep woods later on but right now things are fine. Also when dogs are trailing they can't see signs anddon't know about property lines. Maybe if you all coordinated w/ the landowners they would appreciate a chance to shoot off your hound hunt. Of course that's just my opinion now!

solocamcan 08-26-2008 01:23 PM

RE: Hounds running deer
 

ORIGINAL: turkey harvester

People will bitch about dog runners till the end of time. In missouri it's illegal to run dogs, do we, hell yes we do. People who gripe about dog runners or say I'll quit hunting deer if it is legalized, then quit. The woods will be with less people. Dog runners don't wipe deer out and they don't go trespassing on peoples property. Thats why they have tracking collers. People hunt with dogs where I live and they will continue to do so. If the out-of-state hunters don't like it then stay in your state and shut up. People who bitch about dog runners killing lots of deer need to ride with a dog runner, mostly driving and listening to the beautiful sound of dogs. Beagles not hounds.
It's guys like you who should be stripped of your hunting RIGHTS forever, it's not a given it's a RIGHT, and to say you run dogs even though its illegal shows you have ZERO respect for hunting or it's laws. Running deer with dogs isn't even sporting,you might as well ride a quad through the woods and shoot from it...Oh wait, you prob already do that since thats not legal either.


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