IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
04-12-2007, 09:51 AM
#21
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
"It's a bad perception. Any time there's a privilege like that, people will question it," said state Rep. Mike Bost, R-Murphysboro, a hunter whose name was on the list of special permits.
Bost expressed surprise at his appearance on the list, and he said it might have been the result of an inquiry he made once to the Natural Resources Department when it looked like a late legislative session would cause him to miss getting a regular permit.
"I did call … What they did after that, I don't know," Bost said. He said he was turkey hunting Wednesday morning (without success) on a permit obtained through the lottery.
Bost expressed surprise at his appearance on the list, and he said it might have been the result of an inquiry he made once to the Natural Resources Department when it looked like a late legislative session would cause him to miss getting a regular permit.
"I did call … What they did after that, I don't know," Bost said. He said he was turkey hunting Wednesday morning (without success) on a permit obtained through the lottery.
He called, then what they did after that he doesn't know.--- I do -- they sent a permit to ya. I wonder if he even had to pay.
they are a legitimate way around a lottery system that isn't working.
Phelps acknowledged routinely getting the special permits for constituents, out-of-area visitors, and himself. He said the lottery system is so cumbersome that it could dissuade local hunting.
"I think there need to be more permits. We have too many deer," Phelps said. "I see it as … cutting through the bureaucratic red tape" for constituents.
"I think there need to be more permits. We have too many deer," Phelps said. "I see it as … cutting through the bureaucratic red tape" for constituents.
sorry for the rant, but this gets me fired up.
If I'm wrong, please correct me, and I will apoligize to anybody I offended.
RBBH
04-12-2007, 09:52 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
ORIGINAL: uncle matt
More intresting news............
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/472CD8666B3B2402862572BB000F3D9E?OpenDocument
But why do Illinois State officials who should know and go thru the regular application process sneak in?
Like.........
Rep. Mike Bost, R- Murphysboro
Rep. Brandon Phelps, D - Norris City
More intresting news............
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/472CD8666B3B2402862572BB000F3D9E?OpenDocument
But why do Illinois State officials who should know and go thru the regular application process sneak in?
Like.........
Rep. Mike Bost, R- Murphysboro
Rep. Brandon Phelps, D - Norris City
Yeah, I goggled a fewnames from the county I hunt, lawyers, politicians.......hummmmmm
04-12-2007, 07:43 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
ORIGINAL: uncle matt
More intresting news............
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/472CD8666B3B2402862572BB000F3D9E?OpenDocument
But why do Illinois State officials who should know and go thru the regular application process sneak in?
Like.........
Rep. Mike Bost, R- Murphysboro
Rep. Brandon Phelps, D - Norris City
More intresting news............
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/472CD8666B3B2402862572BB000F3D9E?OpenDocument
But why do Illinois State officials who should know and go thru the regular application process sneak in?
Like.........
Rep. Mike Bost, R- Murphysboro
Rep. Brandon Phelps, D - Norris City
Some other names on the list;
Duncan Doby (editor;North American Whtetail Mag.)
Brenda Valentine
Eddie Salter.........
and I'm sure I missed a lot of others.
04-13-2007, 12:23 AM
#24
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
The most disturbing fact of this is that some of these privilegedare so clearly breaking the game laws as far as the number of permits issued.
Who is Wilbur K. Engelhardt? Why in the world should he be entitled to 10 Randolph county permits in 2004? All issued 10-01-2004 - guess he couldn't get one thru the lottery like the rest of us. OR DID HE AND GET 10 MORE?!
And why would then Mr. Engelhardt be further entitled to 10 MORE PERMITS, issued the very same day for Perry county?
I feel really bad for the 10 guys who applied in the lottery for Randolph county and got denied. And the 10 guys who applied in the lottery for Perry county and were denied ................ SORRY BUT IT APPEARS THOSE PERMITS WERE RESERVED FOR THE VERY SPECIAL MR. ENGELHARDT.
And who is Thomas M. Shannon? Did he make Pike county with his own two hands? 8 permits in 2004 for Pike county, issued 10-13. Is this guy also too good for the lottery?
So many people getting permits AFTER the lottery draws are done and over with! HEY WHAT'S THAT SMELL? I KNOW THAT SMELL!
IT'S THE SMELL OF ANOTHER BLAGOVICH SCANDAL!
I think it's time for an investigation. There's game laws being violated here folks. I teach hunter safety education classes right here in Illinois and I feel one of the most important topics we cover is ETHICS & RESPONSIBILITY. Essentially this topic in a nutshell is BE HONEST, GOVERN YOURSELF & ABOVE ALL .............. FOLLOW THE RULES!
And what is happening here is just downright unethical.
I saw one of the most very senior hunter safety instructors name on the list for Kendall county in 2006!What am I to think of him now? Maybe we could go over the Ethics & Responsibility chapter together? [&o]
Who is Wilbur K. Engelhardt? Why in the world should he be entitled to 10 Randolph county permits in 2004? All issued 10-01-2004 - guess he couldn't get one thru the lottery like the rest of us. OR DID HE AND GET 10 MORE?!
And why would then Mr. Engelhardt be further entitled to 10 MORE PERMITS, issued the very same day for Perry county?
I feel really bad for the 10 guys who applied in the lottery for Randolph county and got denied. And the 10 guys who applied in the lottery for Perry county and were denied ................ SORRY BUT IT APPEARS THOSE PERMITS WERE RESERVED FOR THE VERY SPECIAL MR. ENGELHARDT.
And who is Thomas M. Shannon? Did he make Pike county with his own two hands? 8 permits in 2004 for Pike county, issued 10-13. Is this guy also too good for the lottery?
So many people getting permits AFTER the lottery draws are done and over with! HEY WHAT'S THAT SMELL? I KNOW THAT SMELL!
IT'S THE SMELL OF ANOTHER BLAGOVICH SCANDAL!
I think it's time for an investigation. There's game laws being violated here folks. I teach hunter safety education classes right here in Illinois and I feel one of the most important topics we cover is ETHICS & RESPONSIBILITY. Essentially this topic in a nutshell is BE HONEST, GOVERN YOURSELF & ABOVE ALL .............. FOLLOW THE RULES!
And what is happening here is just downright unethical.
I saw one of the most very senior hunter safety instructors name on the list for Kendall county in 2006!What am I to think of him now? Maybe we could go over the Ethics & Responsibility chapter together? [&o]
04-13-2007, 09:45 AM
#26
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT
Who do we contact for this junk? I would like to send a few emails out.
Who do we contact for this junk? I would like to send a few emails out.
Sam Flood, Acting Director of The IDNR.
Some good questions for old Sam, just to get a dialouge started might be.......
Is your brother Clifford S. Flood?
Did Clifford, or did he not, recieve a deer permit to hunt coveted Pike county inthe 2004deer season?
Did he or did he not recieve preferential treatment in recieving this permit & what role did you play in his recieving this permit issued on 10-13-2004?
After all, we all know Pike permits out every year to people who recieve valid land owner tags and those who validly apply thru the proper lottery channels, is that not correct Sam? Oh, may we call you Sam? Or should we just say "ol' boy"?
Is there a "special drawer" in your desk? Maybe a special, magical filing cabinet where these additional permits are set aside?
ol' boy can be asked these questions and more at:
Sam Flood
Acting Director
217/785-0075
Leslie Sgro
Deputy Director
217/558-7117
Debbie Stone
Deputy Director
782-5694
Sam Flood's email is: [email protected]
I'll be shooting him an email myself. Heck all the time I've volunteered over the years teaching hunter safety I thought I'd ask if he could maybe get me, say a half-dozen permits forJohnson county out the back door. I'd like to have some friends and business associates down to do some hunting this season and it's just so hard to plan if you have to wait and see if your successful in that pesky lottery system.
04-13-2007, 10:30 AM
#27
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
When you go over the list, its like a who's who of hunting tv/magazine.
You would think the guys who make their living hunting would be able to draw in the lottery like everyone else.
You would think the guys who make their living hunting would be able to draw in the lottery like everyone else.
04-13-2007, 11:24 AM
#29
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RE: IL DNR gave permits to politically connected hunters
Only one's that stood out to me were MarkDrury, Terry Drury,Brenda Valentine and Dick Metcalf.
Here's something page 12 ofthe Illinois Hunting Digest:
Permit Limit
No hunter may receive, or attempt to receive, more than one either-sex permit and one antlerless only permit prior to the random daily drawing in september. Permits remaining after the lotteries are issued by random daily drawing until the county permit quotas are exhausted.
* except those folks who are special.
Here's something page 12 ofthe Illinois Hunting Digest:
Permit Limit
No hunter may receive, or attempt to receive, more than one either-sex permit and one antlerless only permit prior to the random daily drawing in september. Permits remaining after the lotteries are issued by random daily drawing until the county permit quotas are exhausted.
* except those folks who are special.