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Old 02-18-2006, 09:10 AM
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PRESS RELEASE

Wisconsin Deer Hunters Association

February 10, 2006

Deer Hunters Have No Friends in the Legislature

Wisconsin Deer Hunters Association (WDHA) is extremely disappointed that the Senate and Assembly Natural Resource committees voted to side with a special interest group and dismiss the DNR's 2006 deer season proposal that is supported by every major deer hunting group in the state. What we find especially troubling is there was no basis for the denial of these new rules and was just another example of how far the legislature is out of touch with their constituency.

Assembly Natural Resources Committee chair Scott Gunderson wrote that his committee objected "on the grounds that the proposed rule was arbitrary and capricious, and imposes an undue hardship." Clearly Rep. Gunderson doesn't understand anything about this rule. It was drafted in a year long process in cooperation with all major deer hunting groups and was intended to simplify the deer season framework, which is hardy a basis to call it arbitrary or capricious. In addition the Association of Wisconsin Snowmobile Clubs (AWSC) has never been able to provide any concrete evidence of a landowner issue with snowmobile trail access in 5 years of December antlerless hunts south of hwy 8, so there is no justification whatsoever to claim a hardship. This was clearly a political decision that was not in the best interest of the almost 700,000 deer hunters in this state.

The rule changes demanded byRep. Gundersonand Senate Natural Resources Committee Chair Neil Kedzie present serious law enforcement issues, and they effectively take away hunting opportunity for muzzleloader hunters. Clearly these changes demanded by the legislature are at the sole request of the AWSC and are not acceptable to the WDHA and all the other deer hunting groups in this state.

The committee members who voted against this rule were obviously influenced by the lobbying efforts of a well-funded special interest group. They never took the time to investigate any of the facts provided by the DNR or the deer hunting groups, or determine if claims made by the AWSC had any merit. IfRep. Gundersonand Senate Chair Neil Kedzie really wanted to step up as leaders they would have found a way to assure the AWSC that there wouldn't be any problems with this new rule, or that any documented problems would be dealt with immediately should they arise. Instead they demanded changes that will cause more problems than what the rules were intended to eliminate. Nor didRep. Gunderson or Sen. Kedzie bother to contact snowmobile associations in states like Michigan that have even later antlerless gun seasons without any snowmobile trail closures.

It's also appalling that legislators likeRep. Gunderson who championed the constitutional right to hunt and fish would ultimately vote against his own convictions. In fact his continued opposition to this new rule can be viewed as anti-hunting, in direct opposition to the rights he claimed he wanted to protect.

But the real damage will be to the businesses and snowmobilers of this state. A large number of landowners have already committed to closing their land to snowmobiling in protest and that will certainly spread as a result of this vote. By next year there will be massive snowmobile trail closures. The deer hunters of this state don't wish to engage in a fight with another group, we only wanted to simplify our rules, expand opportunity and find methods to help control the deer population. Our arguments were based on biology and sound science and the realities of snowmobiling in this state. The legislatures willingness to believe in the unfounded claims by the AWSC and their paid lobbyist is obviously more of a deciding factor than common sense.

The WDHA is a statewide group of conservation minded deer enthusiasts whose mission is to promote scientific and ecological based deer management in Wisconsin. Our philosophy is do what's best for the deer herd, as we believe that is ultimately what's best for the deer hunter.
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DNR news release:

SUBJECT: Deer hunting rules not to change for 2006 Wisconsin seaons

MADISON –Hunting rules and season options for the 2006 Wisconsin deer hunt will remain the same as 2005 as result of a second legislative request for modifications to a new set of rules and seasons that the state Natural Resources Board had approved to improve deer hunting in the state. In a conference call today, the board unanimously decided to withdraw the rule package, which will result in the state Department of Natural Resources moving ahead with plans for this fall’s hunt under current rules. The hunter’s choice program will continue, the October and December antlerless deer gun hunts will be open in certain Deer Management Units (DMUs), and Earn-a-buck requirements are a possibility in some DMUs. The rule package approved by the board last December had been developed over many months by hunters, conservation groups and DNR staff and “had rare, broad support among the hunting community,” said DNR Secretary Scott Hassett. The new rule would have eliminated the October antlerless hunt, which is unpopular with some hunters, and replaced it with a statewide December antlerless hunt. In response to a first legislative request, the board modified the rule package at a special Jan. 31 meeting, moving a two-day youth hunt and limiting the December antlerless hunt to those DMUs north of Highway 8 in which the deer population is significantly over established goals. On Feb. 8 the legislative committees met again and resent their previous request for modifications, with the exception of the youth hunt date change, including moving the December hunt north of Highway 8 up to just three days after the regular season. Board members agreed with a department analyses that there was no longer time to implement any additional changes in time for this fall’s hunt. Deer hunting licenses go on sale March 10, and contractors and vendors who manage the license sales system should already have begun working on the process, according to Tom Hauge, director of the DNR Bureau of Wildlife Managment. (more) -2-

“The clock has run out” on making any additional changes, Hauge told the board. DNR wildlife staff will continue to work on revisions to the deer hunting season framework and hope to have the changes in place for the 2007 deer hunting season, he said. DNR wildlife staff are in the process of reviewing DMU population estimates and will make recommendations on which units need heard reduction and could be identified as Zone T units or be in need of Earn-A-Buck designations. The Natural Resources Board is scheduled to review those recommendations and set the season structure at its March meeting. “Natural Resources Board members recognize the good work DNR staff did in close cooperation with hunting groups to develop a broadly-supported, sound rule package that would help manage the herd and improve deer hunting in Wisconsin this year,” said Board chair Gerald O’Brien. “The board already accepted an earlier DNR compromise on the rule based on the first legislative request for rule changes, and we do not feel further changes are warranted.”

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Old 02-18-2006, 09:13 AM
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Wisconsin Wildlife Federation news release: February 10, 2006

It’s Time to Get Politics Out of Deer Management

Prescott---Today, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, the state’s largest conservation organization, applauded the Natural Resources Board’s rejection of the politically motivated request by the Assembly and Senate Natural Resources Committee to the Board asking them to move the proposed four day December herd reduction hunt north of Highway 8 from the second week following the traditional November nine-day gun deer season to the week immediately following the nine-day gun deer season.

The proposed December season adopted by the Natural Resources Board was part of a completely new deer season framework developed by DNR Wildlife Management professionals with all of the major deer hunting related conservation groups in the state including the Wisconsin Conservation Congress, the Wisconsin Bow Hunters’ Association, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters’ Association, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters’ Coalition, Whitetails Unlimited, Wisconsin Farm Bureau, Wisconsin County Forests Association, the Wisconsin Chapter of the Wildlife Society and the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission. The new season framework was biologically sound and was designed to be a safe hunting season.

The Assembly and Senate Natural Resources Committee rejected the compromise for the area north of Highway 8 at the request of the Association of Wisconsin Snowmobile Clubs. Representative Scott Gunderson is Chairperson of the Wisconsin Assembly Committee on Natural Resources. The AWSC inaccurately alleged that the new gun deer season in the second week of December would interfere with snowmobiling and the preparation of snowmobile trails. However substantial information was presented to both the Natural Resources Board and the Natural Resources Committees establishing that both of these claims were totally false. Evidence shows that in the last ten years there rarely has been sufficient snow anywhere north of Highway 8 during the second week of December to even open the snowmobile trails. Secondly, the snowmobile trails are laid out on the ground in that area prior to the nine-day November deer season.

Additionally, there have been herd reduction seasons outside the traditional November nine-day gun deer season for over ten years and there has not been any actual interference with those hunts and other outdoor recreational pursuits. In fact this year there was a rare significant snow cover in the southern part of the state with snowmobile trails open during the November nine day gun deer season with no reported incidents. In addition, there are numerous safe fall hunting seasons starting after right after Labor Day and running until the end of the year in the midst of many other outdoor recreational pursuits.

DNR professional wildlife management staff recommended against the Legislative Committees’ proposed four day hunt the first week after the deer season because it would not harvest sufficient deer, would interfere with the brief deer muzzle loading season and would result with different hunts with conflicting regulations taking place at the same time.

“Deer management should be accomplished by wildlife management professionals with extensive public input including the major affected user groups,” stated Ralph Fritsch, (Kaukauna), Chair of the Wildlife Federation’s Wildlife Committee. “The DNR did an excellent job of that in this situation and the Natural Resources Board was correct to stick to its guns supporting professional natural resources management in Wisconsin.”

“The establishment of deer seasons needs to be guided by sound biological harvest goals and by safety concerns for all outdoor recreational users,” said George Meyer, Wildlife Federation Executive Director. “There should be no place for arbitrary, politically-driven interference by legislative committees in managing Wisconsin’s critically important deer herd. All of Wisconsin’s hunters should be greatly concerned by these legislative actions,” continued Meyer.

The Wisconsin Wildlife Federation is made up of one hundred and thirty-nine hunting, fishing and trapping organizations in Wisconsin and is the state affiliate of the National Wildlife Federation. The Federation is dedicated to conservation education and the advancement of sound conservation policies.
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:58 AM
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Here is the latest from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.

The Natural Resources Board will, once again, consider a wide-ranging experimental deer hunting rules package, intended to be in place for this fall's hunting seasons.

The package, which has the approval of most hunting groups in the state, was the subject of a recent showdown between the board and state legislative committees.

At issue is when to schedule a four-day December antlerless-only deer hunt in northern Wisconsin.

Here's the background:
In December, faced with widespread hunter dissatisfaction with herd-control hunts, the board gave initial approval to the package which, among other things, called for a two-year trial moratorium on October Zone T hunts in 2006 and 2007, while instituting a statewide antlerless-only deer hunt in December.

Zone T hunts are antlerless-only deer hunts in deer management units where traditional hunts do not bring the herd within 20% of DNR goals. Many bow hunters oppose the October hunts because they can interfere with the rut, the white-tailed deer breeding season when mature bucks are vulnerable.

The package was forged at DNR meetings with hunting groups and had widespread support from groups including the Wisconsin Conservation Congress, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation and the Wisconsin Bowhunters Association.

But at the December board meeting, representatives from snowmobile groups voiced opposition to holding the December hunt in the north, saying it would prevent snowmobilers from opening trails in time for the snowmobile season and would adversely affect tourism in the north. Advertisement Last month, a state Senate committee asked the DNR to move the four-day December hunt, north of Highway 8, ahead by one week, apparently to accommodate snowmobilers.

The DNR responded with a modified rules package that calls for holding the December hunt north of Highway 8 only in herd-control deer management units - those units where normal hunting has not brought the deer population to within 20% of DNR goals - but kept the hunt's start date on the second Thursday after Thanksgiving.

The board approved the modified package and sent it back to the Legislature.

Earlier this month, the Senate and Assembly committees sent the package back to the board, again asking that the start date of the December hunt in the north be moved ahead to the Thursday after Thanksgiving.

The DNR has objected to that start date, which would make the hunt overlap with part of a statewide muzzleloader season, saying it could reduce the antlerless kill and cause enforcement problems because muzzleloader hunters can shoot a buck if they have a regular gun deer tag.

In a conference call Feb. 10, the board decided not to make any more changes - meaning the hunting rules and seasons in force last year would likely be the same this fall.

Later that day, there was a flurry of press releases.

• The DNR issued one saying deer hunting rules would not change in 2006.

• Scott Gunderson (R-Waterford), chairman of the Assembly Natural
Resources Committee, and Neal Kedzie (R-Elkhorn), chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Transportation Committee, issued one saying they were outraged by the board's decision to abandon the rules package before a Feb. 15 deadline for legislative review.

• Steve Oestreicher, Chairman of the Wisconsin Conservation Congress, issued one expressing his disappointment with Gunderson and Kedzie, saying it would be their responsibility if DNR deer quotas are not met.

• George Meyer, executive director of the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, issued one applauding the board's refusal to make further changes and saying: "There should be no place for arbitrary, politically-driven interference by legislative committees in managing Wisconsin's critically important deer herd."

The Senate committee met in executive session Wednesday, after which Kedzie issued another statement saying the committee had voted to move the December hunt, north of Highway 8, ahead by one week.

"In the spirit of compromise, the committee twice asked the department to make this change, but the DNR chose a different path," Kedzie said. "Thus, we were left with no other option but to make the change. In the end, the DNR will get most of what it wanted in the timeframe it requested."

Keith Warnke, big game specialist with the DNR, said he has scheduled a conference call with representatives from hunter organizations and other groups on Monday, after which he will develop a recommendation for the board.

The board will take up the issue, once again, when it meets in Madison on Wednesday.
Stay tuned.
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Old 02-20-2006, 06:19 PM
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All the groups met via teleconference this AM and ALL (Wisconsin Conservation Congress, the Wisconsin Bow Hunters’ Association, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters’ Association, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters’ Coalition, Whitetails Unlimited, Wisconsin Farm Bureau, Wisconsin County Forests Association, the Wisconsin Chapter of the Wildlife Society and the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission. ) reccomended not implementing the rules as demanded by Gunderson and Kedzie. Because of the way things were written with dates ect., and the way the legislature objected to the rules it would be impossible to implement the parts of the rule they didn't object too (like the tagging options). Despite what Gunderson and Kedzie say they did force the hand to accept their proposal or nothing. Fine, everyone said nothing. Now it moves onto JCRAR for their concurrance. If they agree with Gunderson (who is on JCRAR) and Kedzie the way this stupid game is setup is there will be no way to get a mid-December hunt N of hwy 8 for at least 2 years, if not forever. Thus the AWSC wins in the end and gets everything they wanted. This is a perfect example of how the legislature stacked the deck against deer hunters.
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Snowmobilers object to late date of antlerless hunt By BOB RIEPENHOFF Posted: Feb. 25, 2006

Madison - Despite opposition from state deer hunting organizations, this fall's deer hunting rules will be the same as last year and will include a four-day antlerless-only Zone T hunt in October.

A standoff between the Natural Resources Board and state legislators will delay for at least a year implementation of a wide-ranging experimental rules package, which was supported by hunting groups and included a two-year trial moratorium on the October Zone T hunts.

"We've put off the decision to say 2005 rules or new rules as long as we can," Keith Warnke, big game specialist with the Department of Natural Resources, told board members at their meeting Wednesday.

The issue causing the deadlock is when to schedule a four-day antlerless-only deer hunt in northern Wisconsin. Two versions of the package approved by the board had the hunt beginning the second Thursday after Thanksgiving.

Snowmobiling groups object to the December hunt in the north, saying it would prevent them from opening trails in time for the snowmobile season and adversely affect tourism.

On Feb. 15, Neal Kedzie (R-Elkhorn), chairman of the Senate Natural Resources and Transportation Committee, announced that the committee had voted to move the start date for the December hunt, north of Highway 8, ahead by one week, apparently to accommodate the snowmobilers, and sent the package back to the board.

The board voted unanimously Wednesday not to implement the rules package with the legislative change.

The DNR staff and many deer-related conservation groups in the state, which met by conference call early last week, all recommended against accepting the change.

United in opposition to the legislative change were groups including the Wisconsin Conservation Congress, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters Association, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters Coalition, the Wisconsin Bowhunters Association, the Wisconsin Muzzleloaders Association and Whitetails Unlimited.

The rules package approved by the board grew out of widespread hunter dissatisfaction with Zone T and other herd-control hunts and was forged at meetings last summer with the DNR and representatives from the hunting organizations and other groups.

Zone T hunts are antlerless-only hunts held in deer management units where traditional hunts do not bring the herd within 20% of DNR goals. Many bow hunters oppose the October hunts because they can interfere with the rut, the white-tailed deer breeding season when mature bucks are vulnerable.

Before the board's vote, Warnke said: "The package approved by the legislators does not contain the biologically sound herd-control tool we need during the two-year-trial."

Under the legislative change, Warnke said, the December hunt would overlap with part of the 10-day muzzleloader hunt, creating law enforcement problems because the December hunt would be antlerless-only and muzzleloader hunters can shoot a buck if they have a regular gun deer tag.

"This package was designed to go as a package," Warnke said, noting that moving the start of the December hunt ahead would reduce the antlerless kill.

Conservation Congress Chairman Steve Oestreicher agreed. "By moving the December hunt one week earlier, we will not harvest enough antlerless deer, as not enough of our gun deer hunters will return to the woods after only a three-day hiatus," he said.

George Meyer, executive director of the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, said: "If, in fact, science-based management of the deer herd is rejected in this state, it should be by the Legislature and not acquiesced in by this board."

The board's vote means that the rules package now goes before the Legislature's Joint Committee for Review of Administrative Rules, which has 30 days to act on it.

Now, even if the committee upholds the board's version, the earliest the package could be implemented would be for the 2007 season, Warnke said. If the committee upholds the legislative change, they would introduce a bill in the Legislature and that would likely further delay implementation. The committee also can request further modification by the board.

Meanwhile, some landowners are responding to the conflict by denying snowmobilers access to their property, Oestreicher said.

"The Congress is cautioning that there are and could be many more landowners closing their land to snowmobiling, which could result in permanent trail closures across the state," he said. "The landowners who hunt will ultimately have the final say on this matter."

WHAT'S NEXT The Natural Resources Board's vote means the deer hunting rules package goes before the Legislature's Joint Committee for Review of Administrative Rules, which has 30 days to act on it.

? If the committee upholds the board's version, the earliest the package could be implemented would be 2007.

? If the committee upholds the legislative change moving the opening of the December antlerless-only hunt, north of Highway 8, to the Thursday after Thanksgiving, a bill would be introduced in the Legislature, likely further delaying implementation.

? The committee also can request further modification by the board.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=404252&date=2/25/2006
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Patrick Durkin column: Hunters shouldn't be AWSC's top concern

When all hunting groups of substance agreed to streamline deer hunting rules last July and the DNR consented to a trial statewide doe-and-fawn hunt in mid-December for 2006 and 2007, Wisconsin was poised to learn something new about cooperative deer management.

But thanks to the Legislature and Association of Wisconsin Snowmobile Clubs, all we'll learn this fall is whether the Department of Natural Resources has the steel to swing its "Earn-a-Buck" hammer.

The snowmobiling lobby, speaking with its hand up lawmakers' backs, stopped the new rules package, leaving us with the 2005 framework. Lawmakers demanded the DNR keep Wisconsin divided by U.S. 8 and start the northwoods' antlerless gun season one week early. This would have opened the antlerless hunt four days after the regular nine-day season and stuffed it into the either-sex muzzleloading season, thus creating confusion and unenforceable rules.

When hunting groups, the DNR and its seven-citizen Natural Resources Board refused such nonsense, Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, and Sen. Neil Kedzie, R-Elkhorn, attacked the agency. They claimed a mere seven-day difference of opinion divided deer hunters and snowmobilers. Odd. If seven days were no big deal, why change the dates?

Gunderson also lectured hunters that they only advise the DNR and Legislature; not dictate to it. True. He and Kedzie only take dictation from snowmobilers. The AWSC claimed December deer hunts cause access conflicts, but in a legislative hearing Jan. 23, they cited only four landowners in Marinette County who won't open trails during deer season.

Sure, they also claimed woes in the Northern Highland State Forest, but they didn't explain it's their people — with DNR consent — who determine when the gate opens. Snowmobilers literally hold those gate keys, and keep it closed during deer season for fear hunters will drive ATVs or trucks illegally on "their" trail.

Meanwhile, the AWSC pretends archers and muzzleloaders don't hunt in December. Why no access problems from these deer hunters? The fact is, much trail work is done during and before November's gun season when the ground is frost-free so it's easier for snowmobilers to pound stakes or dig holes for signposts.

The AWSC's true gripe — shouted by members and whispered by AWSC leaders — centers on irrational fears about gun-hunters. This from a group that ignores its sorrowful safety record. Wisconsin snowmobilers average 27 deaths per winter, and already were one shy of that mark last week. The record is 39 deaths in winter 2000-01.

In contrast, in 2005, it took ATV riders 11 months and boaters eight months to kill 22 people each, even though Wisconsin has more registered ATVs (222,805) and boats (636,588) than snowmobiles (200,317).

Why such carnage? Alcohol. Although alcohol was confirmed in four deaths (18 percent) each on ATVs and boats last year, its presence in snowmobile fatalities the past three winters was 84, 72 and 76 percent.

It's past time for the AWSC and Legislature to follow the International Snowmobiling Congress' 2002 policy of "zero tolerance" for alcohol. Michigan and Minnesota tie drunken snowmobiling to their auto license. Minnesota, with nearly 270,000 snowmobiles, averaged 24 deaths until toughening its law in 1998. Its fatalities now average 16.

Will the AWSC ever police its sport and set compassionate priorities? This group sent 97 people to a legislative hearing Jan. 23 to oppose the deer rules, but only two attended a Senate hearing Jan. 5 to support a 55 mph nighttime speed limit.


Further, according to the Wisconsin Ethics Board, the AWSC spent $22,174 in 2005 on lobbying. Most of it — 36 percent — targeted the deer rules. Meanwhile, 25 percent went toward the speed-limit bill, 23 percent toward unspecified recreational issues, 11 percent toward noise rules and 6 percent toward unspecified safety measures.

AWSC leaders say the leading factor in snowmobiling fatalities is stupidity, followed by alcohol and speed. Their collaborative labors with legislators the past seven months suggest expertise on that first factor.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060302/GPG0204/603020506/1233/GPGsports

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Abolish the T-ZONE hunt
Simple problem.
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We and the snowmobillers should get together (Why fight?) We both want the same thing. NO MORE T-ZONE!!!!!!!!! Push that rule up the legislaters backside
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Get rid of the tzone hunts, and other worthless hunting periods and well all be good to go. But for me it makes no difference what so ever, I dont tzone and im not in a tzone area so it doesnt effect my hunting at all, and as for the snowmobilers, give em hell!! you can always ride across my land as it is a registered trail and hopefully will remain that way for many years. We enjoy your support and the funding you guys put out to keep the trails open, my family doesnt ride but also contributes every year for the great family sport. Ride safe.
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I hunt in unit 61. Two years ago, when we had EAB, several farmers who also bowhunt, or have kids that bowhunt, closed their land to hunting during the October hunt in protest. I'm going to guess the same thing happens this year if the DNR tries to force their proposal through.
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