I Don't Care For This
 

I don't like the Idea of someone (older hunter)from out of the area coming into my area
and shooting a spike horn that will never get the chance to develope into a larger Buck.
I had been seeing a spike horn and a small six point throughout the season(Public Land).
Well some men from downstate showed up the second week of the season.
I talked to them told them where I was hunting(saftey)I told them I had seen the spike and small six point.
They seemed nice enough.
Well I went out sat on my post,spike went by,Twenty min's later I heard a shot.
I came out after hunting to see them loading the spike into their truck.
The one Guy said it's getting late in the season.
Why the )T&#$&%^^(&% don't they stay where they came from and shoot their own spike's instead of letting our 's grow bigger.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with young hunters taking a spike
or those young to the sport of hunting taking a spike.
But when someone comes into my area and shoot's a spike just because it's getting late in the season.
dog gone it take a doe for the meat.
By the way I took two doe's for meat.
Thank's for letting me vent,sorry if I ambled on toooooooo long

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I feel the same way. But there is a difference. I hunt private property and manage the deer I take out of there. You are hunting public property, so therefore it is not your area. Its everyone's area and the law states they can take that deer. Until you get your own land, you really cant do anything about it.

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Man you saw somthing rare, downstate guys hunting second week, that dosnt happen that often.

I shoot deer for meet not for horns, I hunt MQT county were if you hunt with a gun you have to shoot a buck, no doe tages so I have to shoot small deer some times. I do my best with the bow but if things dont work out I will take a smaller buck.I wish I could trophy hunt and manage the deer so they could grow but on bublic land that is imposible.

I know some guys who do manage public land, ya want to know how they do it. They have some farm deer so these two guys haveaccess to tranquilizers, this is no bull. These guys go outin the summer and trank small bucks and cut theirantlers off. I have seen it with my own two eyes. I guees that would be the most affective wayto make sure those deer make it another year.

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Luckily, I've seen a TALL 4pt all season...thinking come firearm...he'd be dead. Well, we keep seeing him...so in a year or two..he might be worth a shot. I'm happy the guys in my area hold off for nice deer.

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Public property you are screwed by that, but that is why I enjoy the QDM where we hunt up in the U.P. It solves them problems!

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

i agree with you on this. i almost got a shot at a small buck with my bow i am 16 so it would have been my first buck. he wasnt very big but we was limping badly but he stayed just out of the range of my bow so i couldnt shoot him.

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

More tears over this stuff AGAIN? It is perfectly legal to take that deer. You cannot expect others to play by "your rules".

Maybe you should be happy for him.

Maybe it will feed his family some healthy meat they might not have otherwise had on the table.

Maybe it was his first deer (a 39 yr. old guy in our camp just got his first).

Some folks try to take out all the spikes and forks. Not everyone holds themselves to trophy standards and if we all did - we'd be hurting.

And as for having private land and thinking it solves all these kinds of issues, I think that's crazy. Unless you have a high fenced property, the little spikes or forkers you insist on letting walk just might "grow up" and become a monster buck. But who's to say it's gonna buy a house and live exclusively on your property?

If you feel they betrayed you somehow after you told them what you've seen - then don't be as forthcoming with info in the future. "Aw, I ain't seen nothing to speak of....."

Another round of tissues please.

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I gusse I forgot to mention this guy has forty acre's downstate where he live's.
He said he hunt's and see's small buck's and doe's on his place.
So why come up here and shoot our young buck's.
As far as meat wise We need doe's harvested more than anything,To get the deer herd balanced.

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

Once a spike always a spike? I thought I read somewhere that this is usually the case except
in rare instances.


Peak

Live and learn

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I think you should hunt however you want and don't worry so much about what anyone else does!

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

i couldn't agree more

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I agree with Camby , but then he and I usually do .
Welcome Camby , it sure took you long enough . ;)

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I don't have a problem with whoever shooting a spike,I do prefer young hunter's do so or those who have not shot a buck before.
My biggest problem with this is.
The guy has his own private land where He does'nt shoot small buck's yet goes away from his place and shoot's small buck's.
I have a suggestion where you can put your box of kleenex. Matt

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

I have hunted other game for some years now. This will be my first year Deer hunting.

That being said. I agree with the original poster in theroy. If in the state you are hunting it is legal to take does it is such for a reason. If you want to take a large buck and that is what you want to hunt for go for it. If you just want a deer to have the meat take a doe if it is legal. Letting young bucks mature doesn't hurt any and will leave them for another day. This is no Differant than going fishing for pan fish and releaseing the small ones and only keeping the larger ones.

now I also agree that on public land you are pretty much helpless execpt for complaining about it and I don't have a problem with someone venting a little bit.

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Hey Kevin



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Man!, You have been busy over here...9000+ posts! WTG!

I think I am gonna like it here, I can see already, more crybabies to pick on :)

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

He is letting the deer on his land grow up. smart guy, if you don't have big deer in your area and want them then give them a few years. maybe he strickly bow hunts his land? A lot of people don't gun hunt where they bow hunt. Hunting public land does suck!

RE: I Don't Care For This
 

We all need to appreciate the truth presented in this thread...on both sides of the question.

One can argue that all hunters should progress and eventually kill only does for meat and let the bucks grow.

One can also argue that each individual has the right to choose for himself as long as he or she fully obeys the law.

The same thing happens with fishing. Why do people kill large gamefish to eat when the lake is bursting with panfish? But if its legal...

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Maybe you and other fellow hunters should voice your opinions about this to the state. I don't mean complain to them about people shooting small deer, I mean talk with them about different ways to solve your herd imbalance. In missouri, Starting last year you had to count at least 4 points 1 inch or longer on one side of his antlers before you could take him. This has worked really well but this years deer have been hard to find. This will greatly shift hunting preassure of small buck to does. During the firearms season we take many deer in missouri, over 205,000 during 10 days of hunting and the majority are does.

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One mans trash is another man's trophy.

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For one, YOU screwed up, I dont care if your hunting private or public property, you never tell anyone where youre hunting or what your seeing when youre hunting. If someone from out of town asked where the best place is to hunt tell them you dont know and that you hunt private land, if they ask where that land is tell them you can not give out that information because you would be in breach of contract with the land owner.

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It would be nice if little bucks were let go to grow but not everyone buys into the "trophy rack" craze. BTW I am from "down state" and this year was abnormal for me . . . I didn't hunt the last 3 days of season as I was leaving for Iowa on the 30th but I have hunted all 16 days of rifle season more years than not since the mid-70's.

Gene