More CWD is found in WI
09-19-2002, 07:22 PM
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More CWD is found in WI
Just saw this on the channel 3000 website. A deer killed at a game farm on Sept.4th has tested positive for cwd. This game farm is located in central Wi near stevenspoint in Portage county. Deer from this farm came from a gamefarm in walworth county, so here we go boys before long it will be confirmed across the whole state.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>cheese-head
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09-19-2002, 09:19 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
Okay, so then what will the DNR's answer be? Establish 400 square mile eradication zones around each and every outbreak...that is, kill the entire Wisconsin deer herd in order to "save" it?
09-19-2002, 11:37 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
I always figured it would move through the entire State. I do not live in the "hot" zone, but have talked to friends that do, and they are telling me that no one is hunting deer in the southern end of the State. I read that artical in Wisconsin 3000 also. Did you see the questionaire they had about if CWD was going to change your hunting plans? Really makes you open your eyes, when those kind of numbers are NOT going to hunt because of this. Good luck this season..
09-20-2002, 12:24 AM
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
If you disseminate all the crap from the media(mostly anti-hunting media) and look at the results of these "polls", it's no wonder the general public won't eat deer! They have passed on more drivel than I could possibly immagine.
I am also upset the DNR has not done more to dispel the crap they are spewing.
I for one consider myself a conservationist and feel that those of you who are aginst this plan, for whatever reason should not consider yourselves the same. That's just me. Blast away.
We have got to do what is best for the deer herd and I feel the DNR has come up with the best(and most painful) plan.
Tim
I am also upset the DNR has not done more to dispel the crap they are spewing.
I for one consider myself a conservationist and feel that those of you who are aginst this plan, for whatever reason should not consider yourselves the same. That's just me. Blast away.
We have got to do what is best for the deer herd and I feel the DNR has come up with the best(and most painful) plan.
Tim
09-20-2002, 07:01 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
guys, I have said it in the past and I will continue to say it.....I beleive we have had CWD in the state of Wisconsin for a lot longer than anyone might realize, I'm talking 20 to 30 years, and I think we have all at one time or another eaten a CWD infected deer in the past !!!!!! Just because they start testing now and have the technology to find out what is going on at this point in time, doesn't mean it hasn't been here before !!!
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09-20-2002, 09:26 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
Sswpriz might have a valid point. I remember some deer shot many years ago in and around Dane County, that when they were opened, there was growths in them, and some were pretty sickly looking, but we took them home without question. Tim's point about a media scare is so true. The second this hit the news, they were on it like a flash. You ever wonder where all the anti hunters and animals lovers are now, with their money to help fight this problem with our deer herd. They spend all their dollars on media coverage to sour the public opinion on hunters, and as usual, the hunters are being asked to cover the cost of helping the herd. If we want a good strong deer herd, we better get out there and hunt. Good luck everyone....
09-20-2002, 09:36 PM
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
"I do not live in the "hot" zone, but have talked to friends that do, and they are telling me that no one is hunting deer in the southern end of the State."
I sure wouldn't have guessed it by the lines at the MacKenzie Center on the 13th getting tags. Wouldn't have guessed it by all the deer checked in at the Poynette Amoco on opening weekend either. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
I sure wouldn't have guessed it by the lines at the MacKenzie Center on the 13th getting tags. Wouldn't have guessed it by all the deer checked in at the Poynette Amoco on opening weekend either. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
09-21-2002, 07:07 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
JRW.. nice looking deer, and glad to hear that those I have talked to are not correct in their estimation of the hunters in the field. We need the hunters out there to take care of the herd. I am hunting the northern end of the State this year, and it seems there is no reduction in local hunters. Good luck this season...
09-22-2002, 08:21 AM
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
Let me get this straight Tim. We must eradicate the herd to "control" cwd? Note they do not say it will eliminate cwd. If I do not believe in eradication then I'm not a conservationist?
I agree Tim the media has not helped. The DNR has done a terrible job on countering the media. They had the time to formulate a plan, and put their best PR team out in front. Instead the DNR choose to push the panick button of the hunting public, and the media jumped on the band wagon.
The DNR used the panick approach to get the upper hand on the conservation congress, and get their wish list for changes in Wisconsins traditional deer hunting seasons, baiting, and their eradication plans.
I will be hunting this year. I have no fears of eating venison.
I hunt in central wisconsin. Is cwd in this area? If not it will be. Will I still hunt? Yes. It is a disease that has been on U.S soil for decades ( documented cases ), and proably much longer.
Now how come the DNR & Media hasnt jumped on the " lets exterminate the mosquito " bandwagon?? Or the deer tick bandwagon? How many people have been documented with lymes or west nile? How many with cjd? Hmmm.. they will blame us for not using bug spray or checking for ticks..v.s. eliminating mosquito habitat. Maybe that suggests that if we are concerned about our vension we should also have that tested. Lets get the labs up & running then. And at the same time maybe our DNR should check with Colorado on how after decades of cwd they have record license sales this year ( if it was published correctly). Might come away with some good pr lessons.
I agree Tim the media has not helped. The DNR has done a terrible job on countering the media. They had the time to formulate a plan, and put their best PR team out in front. Instead the DNR choose to push the panick button of the hunting public, and the media jumped on the band wagon.
The DNR used the panick approach to get the upper hand on the conservation congress, and get their wish list for changes in Wisconsins traditional deer hunting seasons, baiting, and their eradication plans.
I will be hunting this year. I have no fears of eating venison.
I hunt in central wisconsin. Is cwd in this area? If not it will be. Will I still hunt? Yes. It is a disease that has been on U.S soil for decades ( documented cases ), and proably much longer.
Now how come the DNR & Media hasnt jumped on the " lets exterminate the mosquito " bandwagon?? Or the deer tick bandwagon? How many people have been documented with lymes or west nile? How many with cjd? Hmmm.. they will blame us for not using bug spray or checking for ticks..v.s. eliminating mosquito habitat. Maybe that suggests that if we are concerned about our vension we should also have that tested. Lets get the labs up & running then. And at the same time maybe our DNR should check with Colorado on how after decades of cwd they have record license sales this year ( if it was published correctly). Might come away with some good pr lessons.
09-22-2002, 02:28 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: More CWD is found in WI
Lyndon, I couldn't have put it any better...!
Tim, it is the job of the DNR to make their case to hunters and to the public at large. But instead, we now have a situation where about 1/3 of the private land in the slaughter zone will be off limits to sharpshooters and others who want to do the DNR's bidding. And why is that? Because the DNR has once again suceeded in not making their case, backed with facts. That's not the fault of the press, it is the fault of the DNR.
Sswpriz, I think you're right on the money there! I posted this on another thread, but it seems it needs repeating: <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Although CWD was first documented in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming and northeast Colorado in the 1980s, it is likely the disease has been present at least 30 to 50 years, Thorne adds. During that time there has been no corresponding incidence of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy diseases in humans in the area.
He also challenged statements that CWD “is found across the West.” “Chronic wasting disease has only been found in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming, northeast Colorado and one positive case in the very western portion of the Nebraska panhandle,” he said. “In the affected area of Wyoming and Colorado tests show only 4 to 5 percent of deer have the disease and the rate is much lower for elk.”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> That by the way is stated by Dr. Tom Thorne, wildlife veterinarian and Services Division chief for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Again, there are now <font size=3>more deer</font id=size3> in Wyoming and Colorado than there were 20 years ago when CWD was first discovered in the wild. So again, how is killing off the herd to save it a good idea??
BTW, "Conservationist Tim", since you stand so squarely behind the DNR's efforts to "do what's best for the deer herd", I have to assume that you have already gone down to the "eradication zone" to shoot a few.
......No? Haven't taken part in the special hunts? Why not?! After all, your own words <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>We have got to do what is best for the deer herd and I feel the DNR has come up with the best(and most painful) plan.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Can't realistically expect every resident of the area to shoot 10 deer apeice, can you? They need your help, and DeForest is...what?...about 1 to 1 1/2 hours away?
Or is it that you think that the dirty work should be left to the "little people" who live around Mt. Horeb, and that it shouldn't inconvenience you...even though this is "what's best for the deer herd"?
I'll await your reply. .....Or does this shed new light on your defintion of "conservationist"?
Edited by - TJD on 09/22/2002 15:35:20
Tim, it is the job of the DNR to make their case to hunters and to the public at large. But instead, we now have a situation where about 1/3 of the private land in the slaughter zone will be off limits to sharpshooters and others who want to do the DNR's bidding. And why is that? Because the DNR has once again suceeded in not making their case, backed with facts. That's not the fault of the press, it is the fault of the DNR.
Sswpriz, I think you're right on the money there! I posted this on another thread, but it seems it needs repeating: <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Although CWD was first documented in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming and northeast Colorado in the 1980s, it is likely the disease has been present at least 30 to 50 years, Thorne adds. During that time there has been no corresponding incidence of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy diseases in humans in the area.
He also challenged statements that CWD “is found across the West.” “Chronic wasting disease has only been found in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming, northeast Colorado and one positive case in the very western portion of the Nebraska panhandle,” he said. “In the affected area of Wyoming and Colorado tests show only 4 to 5 percent of deer have the disease and the rate is much lower for elk.”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> That by the way is stated by Dr. Tom Thorne, wildlife veterinarian and Services Division chief for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Again, there are now <font size=3>more deer</font id=size3> in Wyoming and Colorado than there were 20 years ago when CWD was first discovered in the wild. So again, how is killing off the herd to save it a good idea??
BTW, "Conservationist Tim", since you stand so squarely behind the DNR's efforts to "do what's best for the deer herd", I have to assume that you have already gone down to the "eradication zone" to shoot a few.
......No? Haven't taken part in the special hunts? Why not?! After all, your own words <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>We have got to do what is best for the deer herd and I feel the DNR has come up with the best(and most painful) plan.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Can't realistically expect every resident of the area to shoot 10 deer apeice, can you? They need your help, and DeForest is...what?...about 1 to 1 1/2 hours away?
Or is it that you think that the dirty work should be left to the "little people" who live around Mt. Horeb, and that it shouldn't inconvenience you...even though this is "what's best for the deer herd"?
I'll await your reply. .....Or does this shed new light on your defintion of "conservationist"?
Edited by - TJD on 09/22/2002 15:35:20