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I know this is going to be a very personal opinion based question. but here it comes.

what is the BEST type for hawg dawg and how do you pick it from a puppy.
what are the things u look for it to have?
from what i understand there are 3 types of hawg dawgs, the striker, the bay, and the catch. I do know its possible to have more then one of these traits in a dawg as well. but how do you get started in the dawgs and get ur foot in the right directions with out going thru 1000's of dawgs. i curently have a 2.5 yo cur dawg that does ok as a strike but does better as a bay dog. i have two pups a 9 month old catahoula female and she wount even look at a hog, a 8 month old cur male that is just starting to catch
any and all adivse we be completely digested here and thaks for y'alls time.

also does and one do compatition trials with their dawgs and how do u get startted in it.

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Curs for bays and pits for catch.

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Pit Bull, Catahoula and Rhodesian Ridge Back! Here are the breeds my partner and I crossed from 1967 to 2000.

Our first pups came from Arkansas in 1967.





catahoula

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razorsedge,

I am going to blow everything you've been told about hog dogs or have paid for a hog dog, out of the water.

My father and an old friend of his (both are deceased now), never bought a so called hog dog in their life and you don't need to either. They used anything they could get their hands on, bird dogs (pointers was the grittest), german shepherds, english, pit, any kind of bulldog or mix there of, labs, etc. You name it, they tried and used it if it would hunt. They even picked up stray dogs around town and at the dump.

I tease some of our local so called great hog hunters about their spending $1500.00 for a great hog dog. Trust me, get yourself a few dogs, take them hog hunting, some will hunt, catch, bay, etc., some won't. The ones' that won't, take them to the pound or get rid of them humanely.

I say this and will repeat it over and over, Don't, and I repeat, Don't ever spend a dime on a hog dog. This will start an uproar on the forum but I don't care and I speak from experience. Take in some old mix breeds or dogs that won't hunt birds, etc. It dosen't matter, you will soon have a pack of dogs that will out do any so called store bought dog around.

dog1

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i raise plott hounds for hog and bear hunting. they do it all from strike to bay and many times catch before we can get a bulldog to them. i've only saw one cur that suited me in my life and i now own her planning to breed a little nose into her pups by crossing onto a good plott male

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My friend, you know very little about hog dogs!!![:@]

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I'll take a crack at this even though Bay dogs are not my expertise. I'm from Hawaii and grew up using "grabbers". That's a new term for you. A grabber is pretty much a small fast catch dog and you run a whole pack of them. They usually have pit bull X hound or bird dog but any dog that bites and holds will work.

I'm not 100% sure what you are asking but I'll try to answer your question.

Pure bay dogs, that will only bay, need to be in some relatively open areas because they need some room to maneuver and would be a good choice if you are going to shoot the pig. So if that is the type of areas you hunt and that is how you want to dispatch the animal, then bay dogs might be the best for you.

For thicker areas with dense cover, you might be better off dispatching the pig with a knife, in which case you're dogs are going to have to hold the pig. Then you need strike dogs or catch dogs. I'm still not certain on what a strike dog really is. I used to be under the impression that it was a bay dog that would hold the pig after the catch dog locked on. Now I'm not sure. Can somebody clear that up for me?

As for picking puppies, choose what breed characteristics and qualities are best suited for your type of hunting and the place where you hunt. As was said before, you can get a mutt to hunt; many dogs will do the job, but there is a much better likelyhood that you will get what you want out of a real breed. It'swhat they were bred for. They are supposed to have the instinct bred into them, you just need to bring it out. Males tend to have more grit than females though some females are just as rough.

Picking puppies is generally hit or miss but there are good qualities you can look for if you got the eye for it. I don't really know how to explain it, you really just need to know dogs and have an eye for it. It's like some dogs have good habits or qualitiesand some don't and you can see it. Like confidense, obedience, bravery, inteligence, stamina, drive, speed, social skills, etc. But I have seen terrible dogs just turn full circle and become terrific dogs. They just come on one day and started to get better and better. That can be triggered by a number of things but for us, it's been such things as finding their own pig, getting attacked or bitten by a pig, and that sort of stuff.

It's a hard thing to predict whether or not a dog will be good at hunting and sometimes you order dogs from far away and get sent whichever one you happen to get.

Training has a lot to do with it too. We start ourgrabbers at a very young age on piglets. Basically, just have them either inside or outside the pen and chase the piglet around and if that doesn't get their attention, get it to squeel. If the dog is ready, it will show interest and you can put it into the pen. If the dog doesn't even notice, you can also put it in the pen or you can leave it outside and train a different dog in the pen to see if that get's it's attention. If it is scared and is not ready, keep it outside and don't bring it in. You don't want to traumatize the pup. Always end training on a good note with them wanting more and praise them when they do good. This is sometimes a hard rule to follow but it pays off. They are still pups so you want training to be fun. We have had two month old pups holding piglets and one of our pups was even so good as to hang on the ear of a 100 pound sow when it was just two months old. She looked like an earing.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Nicolai Barca


Nicolai, this part I disagree with.

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here are a few pics of a few of my dogs
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/gitrbayed/385257611107_0_BG.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/gitrbayed/thDogsalert.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/gitrbayed/jillcatchin.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/gitrbayed/anothersally.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/gitrbayed/jillsuitedup.jpg

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Good looking dogs!

Hey, I met Mr.Plott at his place, Franklin, NC in 1967. One of my wifes uncles (Billy Finger) was a well known bear hunter in NW NC (Maggie Valley Area & NE TENN) and introduced me to him at his Restaurant in Franklin.

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thanks! my sally dog comes from that area of the country sence i'm just over the mountian from here. actually have a gyp that goes back dirrectly back to some of that lineage.

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Here in Florida we use curs and American Bulldogs. AB's are bigger and better bred for catching big hogs than any pit bull!

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WE? Not all of us!

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I know reb., just been hunting hogs all my life and never bought a dog. I'm not knocking the breeds bred for hogs, just never needed one. I wish I knew something about hog hunting!

dog1

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razorsedge,

If you want to check out what mixed breed hog dogs will do, go to this web site: www.wildhog.com/paradise (229-467-2455) or go to: hunters paradise, look for this where it talks about E.C. Addison. E.C.(He was known as Boo Addison)was known well for his hog hunting, he died a couple of years ago, but his son Bob, and Bobs' sons' are keeping the tradition alive and well. I don't know if Bob is available right now but you can ask for the oldest son, which is Jason. Ask Jason about the dogs' his grandfather used and the dogs' they use now. I believe you'll find that they used any kind of dog they could get their hands on and I would put their mixes up against anything. Bob and his sons' have people coming to Georgia to hunt hogs with them from as far away as Colorado. There has been newspaper articles written about them. They are good down home type people that love to hog hunt.

Their grandfather started following his father hog hunting when he was around 7 yrs. old. One dog in particular I remember was an old bird dog pointer named Jake, be sure and ask about him. I believe you'll find there's no need to spend a pile of money on a hog dog, as I stated earlier.

dog1

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dog1, in your own words, what is your definition of a Mutt?

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Reb,
You!:D

dog1

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You really don't know ,do you? It doesn't matter, you are still welcomed in my camp!
From a FL Cracker to a GA Cracker!:)You're a hog hunter, that's all that matters!!!

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Hey Reb,

Yeah I know! But a mutt depends on where you live. I live in south Middle Georgia, but I have lived in Utah, Texas, Over seas, and been to several other states and countries, and mutt means something different to everybody, including Websters Collegiate Dictionary. It really doesn't matter, we all have our stories and beliefs in what is good or bad. And as you said, I hog hunt and you hog hunt, that's all that matters, we're both hunters with different opinions, and in light of that, you're welcome in my home or camp any day. But don't you like to argue every now and then about what or who's the best. Gotta love it. I just wish some of the younger bunch could disagree or argue without all the name calling and cussing.

dog1

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Actually, any Canine which has cross bred or intentionally has been cross bred, has lost it's Pedigree and has become a mutt and no longer a pure bred.

The reason we chose the breeds I posted above is for the characteristics in each breed, but are still considered mutts!:)We don't hunt with Pure Breds, only our crosses.

EDIT: I spent 3yrs in the Army ( Ft. Jackson, Ft.Chaffee, Ft. Bliss, Ft. Sill)and 5 in the Coast Guard.One yr in Corpus Christi,Texasand4yrs in the Pacific (Hawaii, all the Coast Guard Loran Stations in the Marianas and Carolina Islands, Japan, Viet Nam andOne yr in the Philippines). R&R, Guam, twice to Hong Kong, Sydney Australia, Tahitii, American Samoa and all the Hawaiian Islands. I went in 1957.

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And in light of that, most folks you talk with don't know what a pure breed is. Which I don't particularly care for because I have seen some crazy animals, dogs, horses, cats, you name it, come from pure breeding.

Now that's enough, I'm going to a supper (dinner to some, see there), I've been invited to, which is unusual for me. Won't miracles' never cease.


dog1

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Curs or Blue Lacys for bay, bulldogs and bulldog crosses for catch.

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ok first i want to thank all those that replyed. i read each and every post and thank you for replying to my post.

let me reask my questions here, but first let me explain a little about me, i am a very adept dog trainer,i have trained hounds to hunt coon, and deer, german sheppard dogs to search buildings, search for narcotics, aggression and take downs, the one thing i have never been able to do is train a dog to have heart. if i am looking for a puppy to buy it depends on what i want it to do depends on what i look for, such as ball drive attention span agression level, reactions to hard handling, reactions to soft handling, it social pattern with its siblings, ect. ect..

so if i am looking at haveing a litter of pups or getting a new pup what do i look for in each pup to aid in the best selection of the pups to make a good or great hawg dawg. after this hunting season is over i will be breeding my catahoula and having a litter of pupps those are the ones that i need to pick the best out of.

as for her breeding i am looking at four sires, one is a neopolitan mastiff mix large dog large head, a catahoula bulldog, a rhodesian ridgeback, and a large cur.

again thankyou for your time and input.

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if you are statring new you want to get something from proven stock! then you pick a pup that is not shy, is friendly with you and other pups, yet who won't take any crap or back down. i know myself if i have a litter of pups i will mark the ones i don't like the actions of and not sale them to someone wanting a hunting dog i'll give them away to someone wanting a pet. when buying you should talk to people who have hunted with the parents or see them in action for yourself.

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Very good advice!

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reb you know me if there is one thing on this earth i know it's big game dogs and how to get ahold of good ones or make good ones

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Hello, i was reading in your forum how you crossed ridgebacks with other dogs, ridgebacks are in my opinion one of the best animals there are, but all the hog hunters in
okla. i have talked to said the pure breed ridgeback would lose interest to easy, so if you would share your cross style i would really appreciate it. I have been hunting all my short life but i am just now getting into hog hunting, a couple of years ago me and a cousin but a string of want to be hog dogs from what i believe was a bunch of retiered used car salesmen (dogs werent much to speak of). So if youre honest and know where some young started dogs are i would like to know!! thanks (i hope your not a used car salesmen)

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i know of one at the moment. i know she's started because i personally helped train her

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i;m new here, have;nt meet everyone yet. but i have been raiseing and hunting hog dogs along time. yes you can occasionaly get a mutt or pound dog to run or chase a hog. but your success rate will be much higher whenpups come from proven parents. there are many breeds that can and will make great dogs, you just have to figure out what you like. we have been hunting kemmer curs and salty dog catahoulas for years with great success.not all my dogs make it to the brood pens, some don;t even make it period..at 8 to 10 weeks old all you can do is look for health,each pup will develope there own personnality. thats one reason i don;t make my picks until they are 5 to 10 months old. i;m not in the business to sell dogs, i hunt hogs, just my 2 cents. good luck hope this helps