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bigcountry 04-04-2005 09:32 AM

What defines a carbine?
 
What barrel length or is defined by just shorter than the original for quick handling?

North Texan 04-04-2005 09:36 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
It's just a lightweight rifle with a short barrel.

bearklr 04-04-2005 09:46 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Yeah, I'd like to know this too. I used to know but I forget. I know that the barrell has to be under a certain length but I forget what it is. Something like 23" or less.

oldelkhunter 04-04-2005 10:25 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
20" or less defines carbine to me

bigcountry 04-04-2005 11:22 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

20" or less defines carbine to me

See I would say 18", but thats opinion. Like the SOCOMII. I was just wondering what was industry standard if any.

oldelkhunter 04-04-2005 11:51 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
In the dictionary it says lightweight rifle with a short barrel..

CZ2506 04-04-2005 12:19 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter

In the dictionary it says lightweight rifle with a short barrel..
question is how light and how short

bigcountry 04-04-2005 12:45 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Maybe I am wrong, but I bet its like the word magnum, You can tack it to any cartridge without specifications.

oldelkhunter 04-04-2005 12:50 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Would you identify a NULA as a carbine. I wouldn't

bigcountry 04-04-2005 01:08 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
No, a NULA would definatly not be in that catagory.

Thats what I am getting at. It appears to be a marketing name.

Buckmaster9 04-04-2005 01:20 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Usually rifles with barrels of less than about 18" are considered carbines, while rifles with barrels of 20" or more are commonly not considered carbines unless longer barreled versions exist.

Rebel Hog 04-04-2005 02:29 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Bc, US M1 CARBINE .30cal is 18", Ruger .44mag Carbine is 18 1/2".

Rebel Hog 04-04-2005 02:30 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: Buckmaster9

Usually rifles with barrels of less than about 18" are considered carbines, while rifles with barrels of 20" or more are commonly not considered carbines unless longer barreled versions exist.
Buck, under 18" on Center Fire Rifle and Shotguns is againest the law.

Rebel Hog 04-04-2005 02:41 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter

20" or less defines carbine to me


10-4

Buckmaster9 04-04-2005 04:57 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

Bc, US M1 CARBINE .30cal is 18", Ruger .44mag Carbine is 18 1/2".
The term has also been applied to rifles that are short in design, like the M1 Carbine. The .44-40 carbine is a pistol caliber carbine.


Buck, under 18" on Center Fire Rifle and Shotguns is againest the law.
Yes, I’m aware of this. I suggest you take a look at the laws since this isn’t true. Any rifle with a barrel less than 16" long must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Shotguns with barrels less than 18" long fall into the same category. The Ruger M77 Mark II Frontier is 16 ½” long. Also, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is 16.6” long.

mossy33oak 04-04-2005 06:05 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
carbine used in a sentence........"hey bigcountry, your truck and motorcycle are both broke down, but how's your car bine?:D[:'(]

James B 04-04-2005 07:26 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
I might be wrong but to me a Carbine has always meant a shorter version of an existing longer barreled gun. At least most of what I call carbines, also came in a longer version.

Roskoe 04-04-2005 07:42 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
This could be the best working practical definition. If a Mauser 93 came with a 27.5" barrel, the 24" model is a carbine. In the AR-15 line of guns, the 20" is the rifle and the 16" considered a carbine.

Buckmaster9 04-04-2005 08:04 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Yes Roskoe, just like the Mannlicher-Carcano (carbine version) which has a barrel length of 20.87”.

Rebel Hog 04-04-2005 09:29 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Beretta B59 Carbine 7.62x51 Nato
B.L. 19 1/2",it's not light,but considered a carbine?
Which is a copy of the "Tanker" Garand.
with a box mag.
The M1 Garand is 24"and the M1 "Tanker" Garand
is 18".


Buckmaster9 04-04-2005 09:31 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Rebel Hog, why did you post that pic?

Slamfire 04-04-2005 09:36 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog


ORIGINAL: Buckmaster9

Usually rifles with barrels of less than about 18" are considered carbines, while rifles with barrels of 20" or more are commonly not considered carbines unless longer barreled versions exist.
Buck, under 18" on Center Fire Rifle and Shotguns is againest the law.
I think you mean 16", check out the Ruger M77 Compact. ;)

Rebel Hog 04-04-2005 09:49 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: Buckmaster9

Rebel Hog, why did you post that pic?

1. The two I mentioned, was told they were handgun cartriges.

2. I agree with Oldelk, that 20" and under I consider carbines.
Some people on the forum believe they do and some pepole
do not. When someone shows me where it is stated that a
carbine has a specific barrel lenght, then they might convince
me. The Berreta B59 is considerd a carbine and it's not a light
rifle with 19 1/2".It was also stated that a carbine is a light
rifle with a short barrel. M1 Garand is 24" barrel, but the M1 "TANKER"
Garand Carbine is 18".
3. That's why I posted the Picture.

Charley 04-05-2005 06:10 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Originally, the designation "carbine" meant a shorter, lighter, SMALLER bore diameter weapon, as witness the various "officer's carbines" carried by the Brits during the American Revolution. Shorter and lighter than the Long Land Pattern Musket, and around 62 caliber vs. 75.
Now, it doesn't really have a meaning. A manufacturer can call his product whatever he wants.

oldelkhunter 04-05-2005 08:18 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

Now, it doesn't really have a meaning. A manufacturer can call his product whatever he wants.
I think that both apply when referring to the carbine name.. Just a marketing name for a either short or either trim rifle or combination of both.

bigcountry 04-05-2005 08:19 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Well, guys, I am not sure but I think we nailed it with every way it could be nailed. But it was informative discussion.

Rebel Hog 04-05-2005 03:16 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

ORIGINAL: Slamfire


ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog


ORIGINAL: Buckmaster9

Usually rifles with barrels of less than about 18" are considered carbines, while rifles with barrels of 20" or more are commonly not considered carbines unless longer barreled versions exist.
Buck, under 18" on Center Fire Rifle and Shotguns is againest the law.
I think you mean 16", check out the Ruger M77 Compact. ;)
YES I DID SLAMFIRE.......MISTAKE ON MY PART.....THANKS.

SWAMPMAN 04-05-2005 09:00 PM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 
Most carbines have barrels from 18 1/2 to 20 inches.

jashoffa 04-06-2005 04:25 AM

RE: What defines a carbine?
 

Buck, under 18" on Center Fire Rifle and Shotguns is againest the law.

I know that it started to get cleared up but let me point out the second part of the quoted statement is true for shot guns the minimum barrel length is 18 inches and on a rifle it is 16 inches


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