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RE: 8mm Mauser
Well I hope I've done a good thing. I just got back from the gun show where I found and purchaswed a 1938 Turkish Mauser in 8mm. The wood isn't the prettiest but is solid, there is no rattling or movement (believe me when I say I shook the heck out of it), the bar. looks very shiny with clear rifling and no pitting that I could see, and the tag said $75. I figured even if it ends up a poor performer I can unload it for that much or more.
With another $34 I had myself 75 rounds of non-corrosive FMJ ammo (1970's production) and a box of 20 Soft Point rounds to try it out on the range. On the side of the muzzle just before the front site blade the bar. is stamped with "M1938 TURKISH 8mm, A.1. GEORGIA VT" Does that have some special meaning I should know about? At the same time, on the top of the bar. just in front of the bolt there is stamped "TC, AS FA, ANK ARA, K. KALE, 1944" There is a star between the AS and the FA with a horizontal crescent moon below it between the ANK and the ARA. All of the numbers I've seen are stamped with the same last three digits of the full length serial number that's on the side of the chamber. The seller mentioned something about this having a larger ring than the swedish Mausers. Not exactly sure what that was all about either. Well it is just a $75 experiment that may in fact work out to be worth much more than that to me. If not it will be a cheap lesson. Can anyone explain any of the stamped info? |
RE: 8mm Mauser
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>M1938 TURKISH 8mm, A.1. GEORGIA VT <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
This is the importers stamp, which is required for all guns imported. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>TC, AS FA, ANK ARA, K. KALE, 1944 <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> This is the receiver crest. I'm not sure what the TC As FA stands for, but its on most of the turkish rifles. K.Kale stands for KiriKale which is probably the manufacturer of the rifle, Ank ara is for Ankara, Turkey the city it was manufactured in. 1944 is the date of manufacture. The crescent moon and star is the symbol for the country of Turkey, it is also used by a number of other Muslim countries. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>All of the numbers I've seen are stamped with the same last three digits of the full length serial number that's on the side of the chamber <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> The parts are stamped with a serial number, having a matching receiver and bolt is a positive thing, as most turk rifles do not match, and having all of the parts match makes the rifle at least a bit more valuable than the average turkish rifle, if the rifle is in really good condition, with a good bore and matching numbers, $75 isn't a terrrible deal. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The seller mentioned something about this having a larger ring than the swedish Mausers<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> This is the reciver ring, the section of the action that has a crest on it. Most M-38 turks have a large ring receiver with a similar diameter to a common K98, but are threaded for a small ring barrel such as those found on a swedish Mauser. A 6.5x55 barrel from a 96 swede should be able to thread into the receiver, but another 8mm barrel from anotehr large ring mauser will not fit. Some turks, mainly model 1903 were made with a small ring receiver and originally chambered for another caliber, but were rebarelled to 8mm. A few m-38 turks may have a small ring receiver, as these rifles were cobbled together with whatever was at hand. The only time this info may ever come into play is if you decide to make a sporting rifle out of it, the turk receiver can only handle moderately pressured cartridges where a true large ring receiver can handle almost any cartridge. Before firing the rifle, make sure that it is squeaky clean, an there is no grease in the chamber or barrel, which might damage you and the rifle. Also strip the bolt and clean it very carefully, as dreid grease in the firing pin spring and bolt can cause incosistant firing, or cause the rifle to not fire at all. Here's a link to help you out with this. http://home.earthlink.net/~paralax1/...semblypage.htm Also try the Turkish forum at milsurpshooter.net for any other questions you might have. Don't be alarmed if the rifle shoots high, as it was designed to do this. This can be cured with a taller front sight. If you shoot corrosive ammo, such as Turkish surplus which was made for the rifle, clean the barrel and bolt face up right away by running a few patches soaked in windex to neutralize the primer salts before giving the rifle a normal cleaning with solvent. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms... who's bringing the chips? |
RE: 8mm Mauser
Briman-Thank you very much for the technical and historical information. Your comment on grease in the chamber area is right on. I noticed heavy grease both on the bolt and also in the internal magazine. All of that metal seems bright and shiny too so I can't complain so far. I will most definitely give this thing a thorough cleaning before taking it out to the range though. Your link to breakdown info will certainly come in handy for that.
Again thank you. I'm looking forward to trying this new toy out. At last I have purchased a rifle so inexpensive that my wife has not complained about it! |
RE: 8mm Mauser
mainehunter...
i found a site that has peep sights instead of the rear sight. i will try to find that site for you. |
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