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RE: Inferior Rounds
ORIGINAL: m.t.hands i have decided i'll keep my wifes model 7 in 260 rem, should make a fine squirrel gun[:-] |
RE: Inferior Rounds
It effects the hundreds of hunters that hunt there but since they do not matter and you are aparantly selfish enough not to care about anyone but yourself here are the counties where slughs are illegal in VA. Goochland, Louisa, Northumberland, Prince George, Prince William, & Westmoreland No I am not going to go to every states hunting regulations to proove you MORE wrong than I already have. When you are wrong you are wrong. It's overkill on deer. It has a long action and is a belted magnum. The recoil would be on the extreme side. Everything from the 243 on up is over kill for deer. In other words...... What's your friggin point? You said the flattest shooting round was the 7mmWSM and you were proven wrong by bawanajim. The 7 WSM can take all the game in America and is the flattest of all calibers. You said the 30-378 was over kill for deer. I said anything from the 243 on up was over kill for deer. Again, in other words please make a point here. Aparantly you are not able to read or comprehend the text that is on your screne. Not once did I argue that any cartridge should go away including the 25 wssm. AND the WSSM is not the same cartridge as the WSM. Or did you not know this? But facts are facts. A the shorter and fatter the case becomes the more prone to jamming it becomes. It’s on the bottom of page 3. Here it is... Well as the owner of a 25 WSSM I can say its an impressive cartridge, shoots well, fuctions the way its posed to, but it still won't outdo the 25-06. And lets face it, a 100 gr bullet at 3200 fps isn't that impressive. The WSSM's don't really even fill a niche, there are just as good or better cases out there than the WSM & WSSM lines. The makers make them because with enough hype, they can sell them. Remember the 17 HMR, kills anything smaller than deer like the hammer of thor, well most folks who bought one for yote hunting have already went back to the 22 mag. I bought a 25 WSSM so I could deer hunt more effectively with my AR-15. I am currantly building a Long Range rifle in the 7mm RUM IMP. I will ask again............. Please give us your list of inferior cartridges. You seem to know so little please show us how little you really know. Please tell us where you get all of your information from so that we can also be as wise as you are. "TYPE=PICT;ALT=" If you ever had a use for a 10 guage, you'd know that a 3.5" 12 is not a good substitue. There is alot more to wingshooting than how much shot you can cram into a shell, such as patterning, shot strings. The 3.5" 12is a great for turkey hunting, but pretty lousy on big birds such as canadian giants- it doesn't offer much of an advantage over a 3" and has alot more recoil. The extra weight of a 10 guage makes it alot more pleasant to shoot than lighter gun in 3.5" 12. I personally have no use for a 3.5" 12 guage. It also has about 3000 - 4000 more PSI of chamber pressure as factory loaded. Loaded to the same pressures the difference is squat. Actually, when the 25-06 is loaded to the same pressures as the 25wssm the 25-06 exceeds the velocity by a substantial margin of a 100+ fps. Just like all of the larger magnums do to the short magnums. Any other words of wisdom you want to throw out here? |
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A shorter action cycles faster for quick follow-up shots And stop confusing the terms "accuracy" and "precision". Accuracy has very little to do with the actual firearm and much more about who's shooting it and who sighted it in. Precision is all about how consistently the firearm can hit the same thing. Accuracy means to hit what you're shooting at. Precision means to hit the same spot every time. Again, live and let live. Oh, and I've shot deer with a 7mm Rem Mag as well as a 300 Win Mag and have done (not always, but sometimes) less damage than with a .243. Mind you, I'm a quite good shot and I've got no problems turning a deer's head into a strawberry milk shake. .243 bullets can fragment quite easily (especially at close range, really high velocities on smaller weaker bullets) and then rip into all kinds of stuff on a deer. The 30 caliber bullets will stay together. IF you know how to shoot, you won't ruin much meat at all with a 30 caliber. You'll put a bullet in the head, neck or hit the lungs/heart and maybe tear up a front shoulder that, last time I checked, don't have much meat anyway. |
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Again, live and let live. Oh, and I've shot deer with a 7mm Rem Mag as well as a 300 Win Mag and have done (not always, but sometimes) less damage than with a .243. Mind you, I'm a quite good shot and I've got no problems turning a deer's head into a strawberry milk shake. .243 bullets can fragment quite easily (especially at close range, really high velocities on smaller weaker bullets) and then rip into all kinds of stuff on a deer. The 30 caliber bullets will stay together. IF you know how to shoot, you won't ruin much meat at all with a 30 caliber. You'll put a bullet in the head, neck or hit the lungs/heart and maybe tear up a front shoulder that, last time I checked, don't have much meat anyway. |
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no more discussion between me and you, my friend.
My daddy is not a super genius, but he's quite wise. Once he told me: "Son, only an idiot argues with an idiot". So, I'm going to stop. |
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i'm fixin to go out back and argue with a fence post, anybody want to join me
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ORIGINAL: razormatt no more discussion between me and you, my friend. My daddy is not a super genius, but he's quite wise. Once he told me: "Son, only an idiot argues with an idiot". So, I'm going to stop. I guess common sense isn't so common after all. |
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man my 222, 25-06, 270, 280 and 35 whelen AI are all obsolete? CRAP, what am i gonna do now... but danged if the 280 doesn't whack coyote as well as deer like the hand of Zues... but then again i handload :D ... those 7mm hornady 100 gr HP's at 3620 (chronographed) or the 175 Partitions at 2790 really do a no complaints job on just about everything i've ever taken a poke at with them... the Whelen AI is welllll... a helluva lotta lead at a danged good respectable velocity without a whole lotta recoil. I prefer both over the new fangled short stuff... maybe i am just old fashioned...
because really, they will all do what the chubby stubbies will do.. and MORE if i want them to... plus i can walk into just about any place across this big ole world that carries ammunition and buy rounds for just about any of the aforementioned stuff... in a number of varieties... as another note.. i've seen more deer antlers in one place that were taken with a 243 or 308 over the last 40 years than i can count... hundreds in number... by 2 elderly gentleman, lifelong hunting buddies, one being my uncle... i've been there when a handful were shot with the 243 and helped dress and butcer a few... the damage done by that little missle put me as a young teenager in awe... if you do some research the RSAUM's and the WSM's are not a new idea... folks like Taylor, Ackley, Keith, and the list goes on and on, knew about the benefits of short fat cartridges and their efficiencies when most of us were sucking our thumbs or not even thought of. This is plainly written in book form and free for all to view... Personally, i'd rather be OVERGUNNED than under... there isn't a more sickly feeling than losing a wounded animal only to find it days later half eaten by critters or gone to waste... whether due to poor shot placement or just not quite enough internal damage for whatever reason... The deadliest killer i own is my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt with big heavy large meplat hardcasts at respectable velocities... i like me a BIG hole and i hate having to track :) Jamie |
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Wow, I look around my safe and wonder how I ever got through the last 35 years of hunting. .22rf, .223, .25-20, .250-3000, .257 Roberts, .270 Win., 50 cal. Round ball shooter, 20ga., and a few 12's. Don't know how all those coyotes, deer, and small game ever fell to such inferior weaponry! Someday maybe some people will understand, it' not how much faster it goes, but how well it matches the requirements and conditions. Not every shot is at 800 yards across a flat prairie! personally. I have no need for anything that could make such a shot. I limit myself to 300 at the outside, most of the time much shorter.
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RE: Inferior Rounds
ORIGINAL: m.t.hands i'm fixin to go out back and argue with a fence post, anybody want to join me
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