Burris Fullfield?
 

is this a good scope? my dad just purchased a 7mm UM and put a burris fullfield 3x9x44 scope on it. i've never heard anything bad about the burris scopes, i have a burris scope on my own rifle but not the fullfield. whats ya'lls take on the fullfield?

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I have the Fullfield II. Great optics for the money. IF it lets me down I'll go Zeiss next.

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All Burris Scopes are Fully Mutlicoated. Good luck.

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You won't find a better scope for the money. They compare with a Leupold VX-III but about $200 less.

Burris is also the only scope that is made entirely in the United States.

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Burris Fullfield II's are made in China... Sorry do dissappoint you... But all their other scopes are made in the USA and are the only scopes which are.

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I have a fullfield II on my 300 and like it so far. Will be dialling in the rangefinder portion of it later this year. Has those 4 bars on it for 100,200,300,400.

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Hate to dissapoint you, but all Burris scopes are made in Greeley Colorado.

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Bigbulls nailed it...only thing associated with Burris thats made in China is that spotting scope they are giving away with the FF2.Scopes are made in USA all the way!!! Not just assembled here....

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Ummm... No... Sorry, The Fullfield II is actually made and assembled in the Phillipines (I just checked again, I originally thought it was China), Sorry to burst your guys bubble... You can go over to www.swfa.com to check it out for yourself.

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It is also the only scope which only carries a one year warranty from Burris. I am not saying it is a bad scope, but probably does not compare to the other Burris scopes.

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Well, shoot, it says it on a web page it has to be real.

by the way where does it say it there?

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Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II Rifle Scope Send this page to a friend

For a limited time receive a FREE Burris 20x50 Landmark Spotting Scope with the purchase of a Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II, Ballistic Plex rifle scope.

Specifications 3-9x40
Weight (oz.): 13


Length (in.): 12.2
Eye Relief (in.): 3.8 - 3.1
Field of View @ 100yds (ft.): 33 - 13
Exit Pupil (mm.): 12.9 - 4.7
MOA: 1/4
Lens Coating: Fully Multi-Coated
Warranty: Forever


Thats straight off your page...as I said..the spotting scope IS China made..the scope has a forever warranty and is still made in USA!

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I did make a mistake on the warranty... It is forever... My mistake... However the scope is made and assembled in the phillipines... You can call up Burris and ask them... SWFA has discussed this issue on their bulletin board... www.optictalk.com.

The FFII is not made in the USA! It is made in the phillipines!

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I guess I musta got a good one then as mine has Made in USA on it...maybe old stock.

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I called them myself about a month ago when I was looking for a new scope. They told me the 3-9X40 and the 4.5-14x42 are now assembled in the Philippines.

Check out this link. This guy got the same prepared statement they read to me over the phone.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1380&PN=4

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Zeiss Conquest is entirely US made. All other Zeisses are eurpoean.

Burris has the best USA made reputation, but they import lenses for many scopes, as does Leupold.

This is bound to change year to year as they try to match ouput to market.

My info source is a moderator at the SWFA site, which a few have links to above.

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Well they must have just recently changed them to the over seas assemblers. Last time I went to the Burris plant they were still making the full fields in Greeley. They were also grinding and polishing their own glass.

I'm gonna have to check this out.

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For what it's worth, mine came with a "Made in the Phillipines" sticker on it. They still do have the lifetime warranty though. I am a bit upset, since I had originally gone with Burris thinking I would keep jobs stateside and expected it to be made here. Oh well.

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Wait, I didn't mean they are assembling overseas, except on a few models. I meant they are buying lenses overseas for a few models. They still do grind and polish most of their own glass, just not all of it.

If you were Burris, and you could buy chinese lenses that met your standards for half the cost, and you needed these lenses to meet demand, well . . .

I am curious to hear what you find out. I am no expert, just a guy who cares to buy American wherever I can and reads what he can. Keep posting.

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I don't know if they will be there tomorow or not but I will definetly give them a call and let you know what they tell me.

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bigbulls, did you read the link to opticstalk above from jreddish? Very depressing. We are not going to be able to keep up with these changes. They are not compelled to put out press releases every time they make a change in where they buy parts. Thanks for the post jreddish.

We're losing the war guys, slowly but surely, and we all contribute. Asians are willing to work harder for less money. They don't demand that their employers pay health benefits for their straight and gay spouses, and grant family medical leave. They don't sue their employers' tails off and expect to collect sick pay when they get paper cuts. If they don't perform they are out of a job, without a lawyer to convince a judge that it's the employers fault. They don't fake back injuries to get time off to hunt. They can't sue for hostile work environment when the boss says they need to pick up the pace.

This country has got to wake up. I don't believe in protectionism because it won't work, but we should be fighting for clearly marked country of origins so we can choose American products when we want. These days you just can't tell.

Sorry for the politics. Back to the forum. I love hunting, don't you?

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Correction - Zeiss Conquest is entirely US assembled. Lenses are from a number of sources. Just checked up on my own statement.

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I just emailed Burris this evening myself...it should be interesting to see if I get a response. I stated it was pretty underhanded to wrap themselves in the flag and sneak stuff in here thats Aisan made on people who think they are buying American. Im thinking thats bordering on criminal. Scat...a company that makes engine parts found this out the hard way. Jones the truth may hurt pal but you just nailed it!! Thankfuly mine is stamped USA or it woulda been headed back in a hurry.


Is there any companies making scopes that are all-American now or it is a pipe dream?


newguy223 I think you have stirred some people up on this one...lol.

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That is why I did not buy a Burris. Notice the "Made in USA" still on the Fullfield II page.

It's not the fact that it's made in the Philipines, so are my two Aetecs and I love them. It's because Burris is not being honest to it's customers. They are lying and hiding behind the American flag. I chose not to buy their product since they can't be honest with their customers.

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Looks like some deception going on at Burris. Notice the email stated some Fullfiels II's were made abroad and others were made here. I wonder if those scopes that come in the package deal with the spotting scopes are the ones made overseas? It will be interesting to see what kind of responses others get from Burris.

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Accoring to my research, which consists mostly of just reading that swfa forum, Burris can still claim to be the most American, just not 100%. We're going to see more makers mark their stuff with the minimum they legally can, because they don't want to boast a USA label one year and then have to remove it the next when they start to buy foriegn parts to stay competitive. So even USA made isn't as clearly marked anymore.

Have you seen how much stuff from Cabela's says "imported"? No slam on Cabela's, just an example. It is we buyers who must keep trying to make USA products competitive by demanding clearly marked origins.

In their defense, it also gets very confusing when you have to decide if one small screw cap made in Sri Lanka, for example, disqualifies your made in USA claim. The laws are confusing. A US manufacturer might be buying a US made component for their product, but part of that component is imported.

I have learned all this by trying to buy US at all times and asking questions, but with internet and expedient shipping and fast markets, it is almost impossible.

Oops, sorry again for the politics. I sure love to hunt!

Below is a picture I copied from the swfa forum to show how Burris changed their boxes.

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Ahhh Haa !!

look at the box !!

They can't even get the flag right. As an American, I'm insulted ! [:@]
They may as well be made in France

LOL J/k, thought I would mention that gimpy looking flag.

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In fairness, Leupolds lenses aren't even made in america... To me the made in America thing is not that important, My only issue comes to service and when companies service centers are in asia, that is a major problem, or they outsource their customer service to India, it is amazingly annoying.

I hate to say it, but probably the best optic people are german; Zeiss, Swarovski, etc. not to mention the best mass produced guns aren't American, Sako, Anschutz, etc. I don't know what the problem is, I fear it is something to do with our legal system, such as making the gun producers make retarded triggers...

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Yes, you nailed it. Liability and the never-ending laws that require makers of products to take care of all their employees needs, on and off the job, and severely limits their ability to expect more work in return.

Edit - some liability and some employee benefits are a good thing - makes America great - but we have gone too far and are being done in by foreign competition.

OK, I did it again, that's my last political post. I love my Burris and my Zeiss.

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No need apologizing when ya right jones and newguy...:D I dont think anyone is mad as much of the fact hat Burris is using some offshore labor as they fact that they are still flag wrapping. I may be one of the few who tries to buy American every chance I can.....but its getting tougher.

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At least when you call the factory, the folks answering the phone speak good english, unlike my internet company.

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Interesting discussion here, now to the point. I consider the 4-14 FULLFIELD II with the ballistic plex reticle to be the most outstanding value / performance scope made period. I have changed out all but 2 of my Leupolds one of which had to go back to the factory twice for internal failure/repairs. I shot a buck and a doe this past season with my Steyr 7x57 both 1 shot kills and the doe at 347 yards...The second peg down worked perfect. This reticle takes all the guess work out of long range shots. The optics are wonderful and they gather light better than my old Zeiss that I bought in Germany while in the service. The zeiss conquests are terrific but for 250 bucks less, I can't justify replacing 9 scopes for marginal performance gains. By the way, it is my understanding that the conquest parts come from all over the earth....lets face it, this is a global economy whether we like it or not. That being said, the stylized American Flag pisses me off. Regards, Rick.

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LOL.... i didn't mean to throw a wrench in Burris's company! and start a riot!! LOL me myself honostly could care less where it was made. i have 2 Burris scopes ( Black Diamond and Signature Series Select). i haven't had a problem with them yet. the writing on both are in english so i can read it. if it aint broke dont fix it. thanks for the replys and God Speed to Burris when ya'll get finished with them. LOL

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LMAO!!! :D

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I for one am upset I was misled. I might look into returning the scope and getting one that is indeed made in the good ol' U.S. of A.

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sorry to inform you......there are none, zip, nada.

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Ahh but there is...........

but be ready to fork out some cheese !

US Optics

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I hope you guys get nicer responses than I did...lmao.Somebody eat some yellow cherios over there this am :D Dont bother me though cause mine had a harsh tone to it also.

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ok...if you want a $2500 dollar scope then buy one and tell me how good it works...I can assure you it does not work 10 times as good as a burris. My 2 cents.

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Rick,

No thanks. My wife would beat me 12 shades of black and blue.
I like Burris products, I just question their marketing.