Shot gun silencer
 

Does anyone know if a silencer is availble for shot guns. I have to reduce some deer from the local population on a commercial farm. The area surounding the farm is residential and they want to keep any conflicts to a minimum. We do use archers but need to excelerate the harvest. Any help would be appreciate it.

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Are there any shotgun silencers available? Yes.

Are they available to you? No.

What first comes to mind when people are asking for a quiet way to "hunt" deer is that they're actually looking for a way to poach without anyone hearing them. I'm not saying that's the case, but if you're in the right with what you're doing, why do you need to hide it?

Suppressors of any sort are considered Class III, prohibited in many states completely, and requiring a background check and annual $250 excise tax just to be able to own one...A lot of money to just buy a suppressor.

From what I have seen, you wouldn't want to use one for hunting of any sort. The only available models I've seen are military contracted weapons, the suppressor is mounted to the muzzle of a 12ga 500, looks to be about 4.5" diameter and 10-12" long. It is designed to allow the covert implementation of "riot" shotguns, however, the extreme size of the suppressor kind of limits the capabilities of the weapon, since you change from a Tactical length gun to a full length goose gun. (14"-->26" bbl)...not to mention the extreme weight of the device's effect on muzzle control in a close quarters combat situation. I grab that thing and you're not going to be able to control your own gun, and good luck swinging it quickly. But that's how I feel about it in combat...

Back onto hunting/harvesting. If you're able to legally cull this herd and this herd is legally established and zoned, the neighbors can complain until they're blue in the face and they have no power.

As far as hunting with this thing, I've HEARD that these are only effective with shot, and don't pattern very well even then (although tighter than the original 14-18" bbls) and perform rather poorly with slugs.

Not to mention that the rounds must be under 1100fps, otherwise you've still got a sonic boom that can't be silenced, which limits the power of your weapon. Typical 12ga 1oz. slugs run between 1500-1800fps, you're going to have to sacrifice between ~30% and 45% of your power to bring it down to sub-sonic levels. That's not as much of a problem in power as it is in accuracy and trajectory.

Personally, I'd either get a 20ga with slugs, or a relatively quiet rifle round (.357mag, .44mag, .30-30, .243 etc) and put up with your neighbors complaints if there are any.

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When the "neighbors complain" it's called "bad press", and pretty soon it's on TV.... How many of those "townies" (most are anti hunters) that are watching there TV sets, are voters??????

Anyway, no matter what he's doing, personally i'd like NOT to see any bad press come from it...

Drilling Man

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Since when is there an annual $250.00 tax? Last I heard it was a one time $5.00 tax stamp for silencers and AOW's, and a one time $200.00 tax stamp for full auto and SBR's...

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DM, you are right. Here is some backround info. The town that has this problem has a ban on firearm discharge to start with. My permit comes from the warden service, and yes, we can legaly make all the noise we want, is worth the bad press given the current atmopsphere here in the Northeast, NO. If we fail to take the required amount of deer with archery equipment in the next 2 months they will bring in a hired sharp shooter, with a rifle with silencers and surprsors and all sorts of high tech stuff and shoot the deer, that is a last resort. The wardens considered using shotguns but felt in the end it would be best to do this as quitely and as discrete as possible and archery fills that requirment, except for the fact it is winter, -15 here today with the wind chill and shooting a bow, at night in the winter is a challenge. I was simply curios about silencers for shotguns. Thanks for all the imput

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I know somebody makes a barrel extension that threads into your screw-in choke threads for urban waterfowl hunters. Supposedly it really quiets the sound of the shotgun blast, but since it is only a barrel extension, it is not considered a silencer. But I'm guessing it would only work with Foster-type slugs at best, and maybe only with buckshot, if that's an option for you.

Brian

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Eider, I completely see your point in wanting to be silent. Making noise just because you can when it is going to tick off everyone in the country is stupid. Why not use a 22? I am not familiar with your laws on this but a 22 is a very quiet rifle, no one would probably hear it.

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not to mention if your at the range or shooting a lot it can damage your ears pretty good.

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It is called a Metro barrel extension by Hastings .
Cabela's has it for $194.99.

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Buy a NEF HandiRifle in 357 Mag and shoot 38 specials through it, or get a 44Mag NEF and shoot 44 special through it. These rifles are fairly cheap, and then you'd have a great plinker/carry gun/hunting rifle for another day.

I'd use heavy cast bullets and only take Heart/Lung shots out to about 75 yds.

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Ths78 made a good point about the NEF or H&R handi-rifle....

I don't consider the Metro extension to be a viable hunting tool, Have you ever seen a shotgun with one of these things installed? Good luck using one in the field.

At any rate, a .357mag or .44mag Handi-Rifle would be much cheaper than the metro extension, or other similar "quieting" devices.

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actually you can get civilian type shotgun silencer its goofy as heck though and designed for use with trap loads and low velocity urban waterfowl loads. in screws in the end of the barrel like a choke tube but it adds over 2 feet to the length of the barrel, the way it works is from the length of it and the seires of ports it has all the way to the end, its muffles a trap load down to about the equivalence of a 22 cal starter pistol. the only thing better would be a cross bow. good luck

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thats it the "Metro Extension" LOL gosh those are goofy :D:D

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What about mounting night vision on a crossbow?

I like the .22 idea. Head shots.

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you could make a compressed air cannon from conduit and a bicycle tire pump or air compressor, when my friends and I were younger we would make these and mould projectiles from concrete sometimes would use a patched lug nut . we would compress air to about 250 psi in the tank put a concrete projectile down the bore, just release the valve and it would shoot the approx. 2 once chunk of concrete at about 800 fps we chornographed it. its not very accurate we never bothered putting a sight on it, but at 30 yards it would penetrate through a 2 inch thick board like a hot knife in butter. when it goes off its sounds like a big paintball gun maybe just a bit louder Id imagine at close range it would knock a deer on its can.

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I've seen those metro extensions those things are goofy looking
i'm gunna try to find a picture of one, or go to the gun shop and
get a picture of one so that everyone can see what were talking about

Hey buddy sorry your in the pinch. Hope this all works out for you

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heres what the metro extension looks like

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not very practical if you ask me, but hey do what you gotta do, right? LOL :D:D

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22 mag or 22 hornet and head shoot'em...

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I agree for accelerated deer harvest, 22hornet is what alot of people use. You better plan on feeling bad cause you wounded one. I know farmers could care less and I understand that deer are taking food out the mouths of thier family. But if I shot one in the jaw, I would feel like a pile of crap myself.

I wish alot of farmers would accept that wiping out deer completely is a bad option.

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i wonder if there was some way to catch the deer and relocate them somewhere else

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HighDesert...A guy I hunt with helps his brother trap and relocate deer, anetlope, elk, and coming soon...MOOSE!

For many of the deer (out west) they shoot them with a net gun from a helicopter and the guy just basically hog-ties them. They have pictures of a day when they got 37 muley does and fawns.

If you do a search on Google, you'll find a situation in Solon Ohio that they are heavily involved in. The deer are taking over the town...and they're either going to bring this guys brother in or a guy from Minnesota.

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why have you not invited any of us!!!!!