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I'm looking to buy a rifle for Christmas, need help picking one. I want a bolt gun that will produce good accuracy and sufficient power to take whitetails out to about 400yds. As flat shooting as possible, low recoil(I shoot a .300 Winchester Mag at the moment, it's making me develop a flinching problem). The Winchester Super Black Shadow in 25 or 27 WSSM has been recommended to me, and I like the accuracy of the Savage rifles with the Accutrigger, although they're ugly to me. This will be my first really nice gun, I'd like one with wood furniture, heavy barrel if possible. I'd also considered a Rem 700 Sendero in .308 or .270. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.

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I'd say check the CZ line as well as Tikka. The Weatherby Vanguard series also shoots well. For more cash, I'd recommned Sako. A 30-06 is hard to beat for a do-all rifle. Lighter loads will demonstrate less recoil. Good luck.

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A 25.06 would fit the need you described. Different makes to choose from.

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One of my hunting partners bought a tikka t-3 stainless synthetic in 25-06 as a longer range deer rifle.It has turned out to be a very accurate rifle and is light in weight.

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The Ruger M77 has always been a good choice for me in 30-06 and 270 when ive use them, sighted in right they would be good for shootin deer at 400 yards or so

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OK guys, thanks for the input. I'm looking at one really strongly at the moment. A Savage 12 Series 12FVSS in .270 WSM. Looks good, it has a heavy, fluted, free-floated, button-rifled stainless barrel, synthetic stock(I tend to be rough on them), has the Accutrigger, etc. MSRP is 645.00 but I'm thinking I can get it cheaper around here.
The ballistics said it'll drop a bout 9.3" at 300 yds.
What do you guys think about this?

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I don't think you can go wrong with a .270 WSM. They seem to be pretty popular around here, as does any Savage with an Accutrigger.

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I think the 270 wsm will do the trick, but if you r looking at 400 yards the numbers on a .240 wby mag or.257 wby mag are way better. Thats a long shot and I would shoot alot with it no matter what caliber it was before i tried it on an animal.

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Federal ballistic tables list a drop of 5.2"-6" at 300 yards with a 200 yard zero depending on the round choosen. The 9.3"you stated would be for a 100 yard zero. For long range hunting the 200 yard zero is generally best.

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I have a 270 WSM, it doesn't seem to have any more kick that the standard 270 WIN. I also have the opportunity to shoot deer at 300 + yards, I use a 250 yard zero. I do not have the ballistic chart in front of me but can generall say that your point of aim/point of impact will be within 2.5" of zero from 0 to 300 yards. That will make your 400 yard adjustment somewhere in the 4 - 5" range, still not bad. I aim dead on with the 250 zero until I go over 300 yards, then I make an adjustment since I will have the time at that range, game tends not to be bothered by a couple of clicks at that distance.

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Just a question. Why would you adjust your scope in a hunting situation when you could simply adjust your point of aim. I know it is common practice to adjust your sights or scope on some military rifles on the range but it is not commonly done in hunting situations.

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Good question. I guess it is a learned habit. The USMC does not teach "offset" aiming commonly referred to as "Kentucky Windage". We are suppopsed to distance a target, then adjust to make the point of aim the point of impact. I use a scope that does have caps over the windage and elivation adjustments, bu when removed are target style adjustments that are numbered. It is easier for me to turn the elivation knob to a pre-selected number than to estimate. I tape a ballistics chart to the butt of every rifle I use. Next to the distance and the respective ammount of drop for my zero, I write the number I need to turn my elivation to as well as the number of clicks that ammounts to. After using this system for many years I can range a target (now that I am a little older I cheat using a laser range finder), make my adjustment, get in position, and then fire within 30 seconds or so, maybe less when I was younger. It becomes second nature after a while. Of course there are the situations where this is just not practicle but they are few when firing at a distance over 300 yards, most game is barely aware you exist at that point. I would venture a guess that most shots hunting are taken around the 100 to 150 yard range, and there I would not make an adjustment.

When firing at a distance you need to eliminate as much human error as possible to ensure a well placed shot. If you can eliminate the elivation guesswork in under 30 seconds, why not? You are already judging windage, at that distance it can play a role in a poor shot. You will be dealing with you own body, finding a stable position. I am not saying this is for everyone, and I know that many folks use a 200 yards zero, and make no adjustment when firing 400 yards, and are successful. This is just my way of operating and I feel it is more accurate and improves my chances of success. I would hate to miss or wound a once in a lifetime trophy animinal. Thanks for asking and good shooting.

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I think the best choice since you have a flinching problem is to either buy a bazooka or arocket launcher or bb gun. HaHa No really if it is only for deer and nothing bigger get a 22-250. My cousin shot a deer out to 900 yds. Good Luck

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BULLS**T! You're so full of crap I can smell you from here! If you're going to tell lies, you might want to think about making them at least halfway believable. You must think that everyone here is as intelligent as you are(n't).

Recess is over, time to go back to kindergarden kiddo.

Mike

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yeah, sounds fishy to me too 900 yds w/ a 22-250. dont think so. that little 22 cal bean would feel like a spit wad at that range[:@] not gonna stand there at 900yds and let someone shoot at me to test that out though:D

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come on NVMIKE I'll let you use the "BEAST" with some 50bmg spotter tracer to return fire and and lets make it a 1000yrds or more,as he has that high power long range rifle.I guarrantee you will be going home,as for his cousin !!!!!

here link to very graphic pic of what a 50bmg does headshot

http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/...gi?read=158916

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If you want a nice rifle with pretty wood that shoots like crazy try a Browning Medallion w/ Boss. A 7 mag feels like a .243 Win and they are very accurate. I know..the muzzlebrake is loud but there are trade-offs if you want 400 yd clout with little recoil. A .270 win fits the bill nicely also.

Good luck...

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I am no expert, do not have alot of practical knowledge, but have read some since i too am looking for a new rifle.
Most of the friends i hunt with use a 270. They like the fact that it is not too loud. Does not kick too much and gets the job done. But i have also read an article in outdoor life that the 270 caliber has accuracy problems.
I have a 30-06 that i can not shoot unless i am wearing ear plugs. I flinch every time.
The 7mm bullets are supposed to be accurate ( according to a speer manual). I am wondering if the 7mm-08 might have the best all round qualities for deer sized game.

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I read Outdoor Life as well and caught that article. I have used the .270 Win for over 25 years with several rifles ranging from ones off the shelf at WalMart to a custom built. I have a few statements about the article:
1) I have experienced different results in testing than the article states, even with a few factory loads at least one of my .270's will hold a 5 shot group at or slightly under 1/2" @ 100 yards
2) If I invested the type of money they did in their test rifle and it only printed a .62" group @ 100 yards I would not be happy, .270 or not my gut feeling tells me something is not right there
3) Even so a .62" 5 shot group is not shabby, the 3 shot group I bet was under 1/2"

Here is the article for those interested:
[link]http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/shooting/article/0,19912,768584,00.html[/link]