Which Gun 30-06 or .270
 

ok well i am goin nuts i dont know which caliber i want to get i need to make up my mind soon cauze season is comeing up but i whent and looked at sum today and the guy there said i should go with the 06 cauze of more bullet choices but i want to get the 270 i just need to make sure it will do what i need it for i need it for deer and maybe black bear most of my shots will be less then 150 yards so which one would you go for i know the 270 dont have as many rounds out for it but does that really make a differance any help would be great thanks in advance

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I would go with the 06. It's a great versatile round. If you were using it for deer solely, the.270 would be a good choice, however, the .06 would do a better job stopping the bears.

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Have the best of both calibers and get a Rem280! A good flat shooting rifle that carries the power of 30-06. Load it with Federal 150gr NoslerPartion and you'll a deer dropping bear stopping gun:D

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Joe D. nailed it. I prefer the .30-06 for its versatility across the spectrum of american game animals, but the .270 is a great deer cartridge. It's ballistics are a little better because of the lighter bullets, yet the ammo choices give you plenty of room to work with against whitetails and mulies.

But if you're looking to go after a few bears on the side, stick with the .30-06. It's better to get more gun than you need right now than to buy a whole other rifle down the road.

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ok well see if i did happen to get a bear perment i can use my dads browning 06 or my grandpas 06 and if i was gonna go with the 270 would it stop a bear if i wanted it to i mean it is gonna be mostly for deer so that is why i am confused about this whole thing oh and also what brand should i go with i found a nice savage for like 400 but i also found a weatherby (spellin) for 489 also how hard is it to find shells for the 270

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There is no black bear that will tell the difference when soaking up a .270 or .3006 round to the vitals. I have killed many blackies and they are not the monsters they are made out to be. You sound like a young lad starting out and asking questions which is great. Get the .270 that you prefer and don't worry about bears, just shoot em and they will die just like a deer. Just use a 150 gr bullet and a premium is better yet. I would take the weatherby over Savage but there is nothing wrong with the Savage, just my opinion. also check out the Tikka.

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lil,

Go ahead and buy the one that makes you happy, BUT be aware....

The salesman IS right --- the 30-06 is more versatile --- even the "god" of the 270, Jack O'Connor agreed the 30-06 was more versatile. Your relatives with all the 30-06's may have figured this out long ago. I understand wanting to be different....

Even so, personally, I'd go for the 30-06! A great place to start is with a 22LR, a 12 gauge, and a 30-06.

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LilBuck, I too have used both rounds and like them both very well. It is just as easy to find ammo for one as the other. Both of them are among the top five choices most anywhere you hunt in the country.
This is true, but you will notice the difference in the recoil of the two rounds. If you can handle the recoil of the .30/06 then so much the better go with that caliber. Either way you can't go wrong.

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Both are more than enough gun for deer and blk bear. "If" you REALLY want the 270 Win., then get it!!! Personally, i never cared for the 270 Win., but there's sure nothing wrong with it for a deer and blk bear round!

In 30-06, use 150 or 165 grain on deer, and 165 or 180 on blk bear.

In the 270 Win., use 130's or 150's on deer, and 150's on blk bear.

You have to make YOU happy, so get the one you REALLY want!!

Drilling Man

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30-06!

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If you aske this question at this forum everyone with say 06...

.270 is my vote.It will kill black bear and u have so many bullet choices with the .270

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Not quite. I prefer the 270 Win over the 30-06. It has less recoil, is flatter shooting and has better sectional density unless you are using bruisers out of the 06. As a matter of fact between the 270 Win, 7mm-08 Rem and 308 Win I have no need for the 30-06.

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I to like the 270, but will say that if you can only have one rifle for all your hunting needs then I'd get the 30.06. If you plan on hunting only deer and maybe black bear I wouldn't hesitate to use a 270. As far as availability of ammo you'll find 270 and 30.06 equal in price and never hard to find.

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I own four .30-06 rifles and but not one .270.

Gotta fix that; life is short!

These two calibers are both outstanding for the types of hunting most of us do. If you reload (and you should, so put this on your life's "to do"list) you will find a much wider choice of bullets for the .30-06. This may or may not be important to the way you hunt. If you don't reload (yet) you will still find ammo for either to be plentiful.

Both are splendid rounds; if I wanted a pure plains rifle, I'd have stocked up on .270s instead of '06s, but the two are pretty close, and you can't go far wrong with either.

Buy one now, and later in life get the other. Life is too short to not have both!

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For your requirements I would go with the cartridge you want 270 win. Personally I wouldn't buying something because someone else said it's better when the other choice is what I want and will work just as effectively. The 06' is a good choice as well but it is one I never really needed to keep. Comparatively I have kept my .270 and it has taken numerous game with ease including Bear and Deer (not to mention other game of larger stature). I always pick the right bullet for the job and prefer premium ammo offerings. You'll have no problems finding bullets for the 270 in this regard either to handle your hunting needs.

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Walk into any walmart and they will have 3 or 5 different type of .270 round. They might have more 30-06 ammo but does that really matter? if you find out that your weapons does ok with the stuff you can find any old place but is a real tack driver with something you have to special order, what do you think you will do??? You would special order it so you could hit your mark better. I wanted a 30-06 all my life. I got one two years ago and since have picked up a 30-30 and a .270. Not because I'm displeased with the '06, but because I have two boys coming up and wanted to get a little versatility in the gun cabinet to give them something to work with. Put your round where it's supposed to be and you'll be happy with your choice.

David

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Don't let anyone kid you...if you hit a bear in the right spot...it don't matter which caliber you use, you'll drop him. The .270 maintains a higher veloicity and kenitic energy over long distance...I've taken Moose with mine at 300+yds. Like I always say, "never guess at your shot, if you're not sure...don't pull the trigger.

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Either will handle Black bear and deer with ease. I have had both for many years. If I could just have one, I would stay with the 30-06. OR I will throw the same wrench in and add a vote for the 280. It gives some edges over either the 270 or 30-06. Shoots about as flat at the 270 and with the 175 grain bullet, it comes right in there with the 06 for elk or moose. Load the 175 grain to around 2800 fps and nothing much is going to walk away. I think the 280 is the most under rated caliber out there.

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270 is the best gun you can get i have had the best success with and i shot one and that is all you need for the deer.but if you want bears 30 06 is the best out of the two

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I love both cartridges. You really can’t go wrong. Two of my buddies have savage rifles one in 270, the other in 30-06 they got them at wal-mart w/ the package scope for $300 it was a sale I think now they are at $350 either way they are both the first “real rifle” they’ve had. They both love them they shoot pretty well out of the box and the guy with the 270 has the accu-trigger which is strange but it works, we all shoot Glocks or Styers so it is similar to that. From my point of view you couldn’t be wrong with either cartridge in a Savage. I shoot the 06 in a sporterized Springfield, but I am in the process of getting a 270 so I don’t know how much the old Springfield will go out after that. I would say that the only time you would need a bigger bullet that the 150-grain would be on the larger bear and elk/moose. Any thing else would not scare me with a 150 in a 270. That is my slightly educated opinion.

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The 30-06 is deffinatly one of the most versitale cartrages around .They make sabbeted varmint cartrages and you can go upto 220 grain bullets.What more could you want.

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I have owned both and got rid of the 06 I find for me the .270win does everything I want it to and more. It will take any animal in north america. I love that it is very flat shooting and dont have to worry about hold over at anything up to 150 yards. Works for me.

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If you are trying to make a choice between the 06 and the .270, you should go to Winchesters web site and check out their ballestics compareson. The .270 carries it's knetic energy to a much greater distance. That's comparing a 130grn .270 to a 180grn 06.

at 500yds the .30-06 180grn drops from 2913ft lbs to 625
at the same distance the 130grn WSM drops from 2702 to 1243

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This seems a very odd comparison to make - a 180 grain 30-06 with a 130 grain 270. I don't know why you'd compare these two bullets which, to me would have such different uses, they certainly wouldn't be expected to perform at all alike. Plus, maybe you do, but I don't know anyone who is very concerned with performance at 500 yards, certainly not with a run of the mill 180 grain slug out of a 30-06. You just wouldn't use that shot.

Let's make a more useful comparison of bullets as well as distances: a 150 grain 30-06 to the 150 grain in 270. From the Winchester site, using Supreme Power Point Plus (only because they have it in 150 gr for both). To me, I would look at how the guns compared at the far more useful and practical ranges of 100 - 300 yards, but I'll put in 500 just because you mentioned it.

150 gr 30-06: 100: 2402 300: 1391 500:757
150 gr 270 100: 2391 300: 1589 500:1016

In my opinion, except at 500 yds, this not very significant, in an apples to apples comparison. And frankly, the 270 is marginal out there as well. You'd really have to look at other factors such as drop (if that happens to be important for your hunts) or having the option of going up to a larger slug if you feel you need it.

Drop (above cartridges)

30-06 100: +1.7 300: -8.0 500 -51.9

270 100: +1.7 300: -7.6 500 -46.6

My opinion? These differences are irrelevant to all practical hunting situations, assuming you practice with and know the guy you're using. I DO NOT BELIEVE that with the drops given, you are going to shoot either at game at 500 yds. 46 inches or 52 inches - I wouldn't touch either - maybe some would, but not often or likely. Therefore, the better (but still marginal) performance of this particular bullet at 500 yards is irrelevant. If you wanted to, you could find either in a bullet (for instance a ballistic tip) that would carry significantly more energy to 500 yards, but the drop would still be quite large, and therefore you wouldn't use it. But if you want to make that comparison, look at a 150 in ballistic tip in both and I do believe you won't see huge differences.

The drop at the more practical range of 300 yds is virtually identical. The 270 does deliver slightly more energy at that range, but both are killers.

You'd have to look at sectional density and what the bullet does to the animal, and again, my guess is little or no practical difference. I suspect you can do whatever you want to whatever game you want at 100 - 300 yds with either cartridge.

Therefore, my conclusion is that the performance of the round at medium weights and practical distances is not the decision maker. Both are excellent, almost equally so. To me, it's whether or not you would want to substitute the option of going ligher, faster, flatter in a 270 (130 gr for instance) for the option of heavier (180, 220) slugs you can get an '06 round in heavier bullets.

Medium slug, medium range - no difference.

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Now that was a great answer!!!!

And you are right, I was looking at the high veloicty ballistics tip.

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You are comparing a .270 winchester short mag to a .3006? Why not compare a .270 WSM to a .300WSM. That would make more sense and you could draw realistic comparisons of down range ballistics between the two calibers. Also realize that a .3006 can be loaded to drive a 180 gr. bullet to 2800 fps or 3000fps for a 165 gr. bullet which would both surpass what you can do with a .270 win. Not knocking the .270 but look at all the facts. Brochures from ammo makers trying to sell new stuff are not a good source of information to make comparisons from. Consult a modern reloading manual that has the new rounds included.

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Also not sure what loads you are comparing but it looks like you are comparing a round nose 30 cal to the spitzer .270. A lot of magazine writers pull that lame trick to promote whatever they are writing about in an article. A 180 gr 3006 load would still have 1550 lbs of energy at 500yds and a.270 150gr. would have 1376 lbs. The .270 would be shooting 4 inches flatter at 500 yds than the 06. This data is based on maximum loads in both calibers both shooting nosler ballistic tip bullets.

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I was comparing the rounds based on the two most common types of ammo sold at our local wal-mart for those types of caliber. I had to ask my son who works in the sporting goods dept there.

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270 WSM.............have had a 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag and a 270.........270 WSM is a GREAT round.....better choice than the others for deer and black bear....

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thats hillarious cuz thats exactly what i have a rem 589 22lr, a rem 870 12gauge, and a savage 30-06 :D