Looking for a .45 ACP bolt action rifle
 

Any ideas? Don't want semi auto.

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Never heard of one. I have to ask one question though....why would you want a 45 ACP rifle period, much less a bolt?

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The only thing I know of is a kit in the DILLON BLUE PRESS Magazine that turns a 1911 model into a carbine.

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I don't think one has ever been made. At least not that ever heard of. I don't know what one would be good for either. You can get the 45 LC in a lever gun. Thats as close as you may get. There are revolvers that will also shoot 45 ACP and 45 Long colt both.

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"might' be able to have one custum made for the contender (single shot not bolt though) but they already make a barrel for the .45 Colt so why bother with the .45 ACP?

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I've heard of a company that does such conversions on enfields, but I don't think they are in business anymore.

I don't think it would be that difficult of a conversion to pull off, the .45 ACP has the same rim size as a 30-06. Adapting the magazine to feed it properly would probably be the only hard part.

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Ruger builds a .44 Rem mag in a bolt gun. it's a far better choice anyways.

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I have one. It's a Mauser 98. Uses 1911 mags. I bought the conversion kit from http://www.rhinelandarms.com/

Took about 2 hours to put it all together including letting the dog in and out 3 times and answering the phone twice

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Small company here in Texas makes conversion kits for large and small ring Mausers and Lee Enfields. Go here:[link]http://www.rhinelandarms.com/[/link]

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I saw this thread last night and figured I wouldn't comment, since I didn't have much worth saying, but since no one does, I'll throw in my two cents:

Personally, I wouldn't pay the kind of money someone would want for a bolt .45acp...no doubt it would cost as much or more than a typical bolt rifle, so it wouldn't be worth it.

Now, if someone came out with a bolt action .45acp (or 9mm, .40S&W, .357mag, .44mag, .45colt or any other COMMON handgun cartridge) that was along the lines of a "Cricket" on cost, say around 150-200 bucks for the pistol cartridges and under $250 for the revolver cartridges, I'd seriously consider one.

Even if I just used it for target shooting and small game, it'd be worth having I think. I'm picturing something on the lines of a compact rifle, 16-18" bbl, very short overall length using a detachable pistol magazine preferably (ever think about loading .45's through a bolt!!!). It'd be a lot of fun and cheap to shoot.

In .45acp, I'd use it for deer as well, I've used a .45acp pistol and a carbine (thompson knock off) and a 9mm carbine for deer, and I've SEEN a 9mm pistol used for deer, and much like the .223, they work, even if no one likes them.

There isn't such a gun, however, and there likely never will be.

One thing that comes to mind: Look at the success of the Ruger 77/44. Being such a LOVER of the .44mag myself, I'm very pleased to see that Ruger shares my affection (or affliction!!!), i.e. the 77/44, Deerfield carbine, 96/44, Super Blackhawk and SBH Hunter...but I honestly don't think they're doing themselves any favors...Their .44mag "counterparts" cost basically as much as the standard cartridge bolt guns. Why pay that much for a less useful gun? I did and do because I like them, most people don't feel the same way.

However, the advantage of the .44mag is that it pretty well knows where it's going...while I can't say why they picked the .44mag and don't offer .45colts or .357mags (while I've got a good idea-rim and base dimensions), the .44mag is long enough to have a head and foot...the squat little .45acp doesn't really know where it's going. For example, throw a .44mag round into the air lofting, it'll likely spin and nose down striking straight down, try it with a .45acp, it doesn't always do that (I'm doing it now and I'm pretty much a 50/50 split for bullet down vs. on it's side or bottom)....This seems trivial, but it means a LOT when it comes to feeding.

Pistol actions only move a LITTLE compared to rifle bolt actions, while a .44mag is longer and better balanced, it offers more control in a longer that necessary action...producing a .45acp action would require one of two things. Either a .22mag action be beefed up and modified to carry the .45's, or a new action be developed that only pulled far enough to get reliable feeding.

No one likes controlled round guns, and most guys that buy them screw them up by dropping rounds in the chamber. It might be possible that a CRFP action could handle it, but I'm not certain, it's pretty hard to get a basketball to pick a direction without spinning.

Personally, I think a 9mm bolt gun would be more practical, as the 9mm's higher velocities give it better inherent down range accuracy for plinking and small game hunting, and the fact that it's even cheaper to shoot than the .45acp means more trigger time for the same dollar. However, I'm betting we'll never see such rifles.

Try on a Ruger 77/44, they're pretty hot, or maybe try out an Encore or Handi rifle in .45colt or .44mag. A pistol cal. Levergun is a lot of fun...Winchester has .357mag leveractions for under $300. Marlin's are better guns but cost a bit more too.

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All you need is for the magazine to hold the rounds close to the chamber. You could have a bolt that is a foot long and it wouldn't matter so long as that when the bolt face contacts the rim, the bullet is starting up the feedramp.

1911s are controlled feed system- they don't have a rotating claw like a mauser 98 type rifle, but the rim of the cartridge must slide up under the clawlike extractor on a 1911 in a very similar fasion as with a mauser 98. A controlled feed system is what you almost absolutely need for this setup in a rifle, and the last time I checked, controlled feed rifles are still pretty popular.;)

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Briman, although the Mauser 98's remain incredibly popular, there aren't many true controlled round rifles still produced, at least not by american manufacturers...Many are controlled round PUSH FEED rifles (hence the CRPF mentioned in my last post), which basically feeds like a controlled round rifle from the magazine, letting you cycle the action on your back if you wish, but they ALSO allow give up a little control in having a float/flex built in to allow you to drop a round in the chamber or open action and close the action with no damage to your gun...you'll note that in 1911's if you drop a round in the chamber and close it, it wears out (sometimes breaks) the claw extractor, and often does BAD things to the cartridge rim....

For educational purposes in class's I've helped teach, I used to have a round that a buddy of mine used to keep in his 1911...he had 8rnds of HP ammo that he kept for home defense purposes...everytime he went out and shot his gun, he'd take out the mag, then jack out the one round, then when he was done he'd load these back up when he got home, instead of properly loading his gun, he'd drop one in the chamber, let it close, then load a full mag....so the same round took all the abuse...after he went through four extractors he asked me what was wrong, I knowingly asked him how he loaded it and we found out...there was basically NO RIM left on that round, I used it and some broken extractors and that story to illustrate how you should KNOW YOUR GUN.

I did say it could be possible, but I still don't picture anyone doing it...one thing that would make things "easier" would be to have the magazine positioned as close to the chamber as possible, so that the bolt only carries the round as far as necessary, instead of at the back of the action where it intuitively should go...my point is that the round needs a LOT of direction, and it better be feeding into the chamber by the time it disengages the mag lips otherwise it's not going in.

If it could be done in a budget rifle of good quality and was marketed with budget target practice in mind (similarly to how the Ruger 77/22 or the 22/45 are marketed as "practice guns" for your big bores), then it might be feasible that someone might buy them. Might be a cool new direction for "Cricket" rifles, granted they're single shots, (although I have seen a 3rnd conversion done!!!), but they'd set the market.

Personally, on a side note, I'd like to see more .45auto semiauto carbines out there...between Thompsons and 1911 conversions, I'm not aware of many other options? Either of those two are basically as expensive as a good AR-15, while a 9mm carbine or .40S&W carbine can be had for a couple hundred bucks...never have understood why they don't just make one of those budget carbines in .45 also....I'd be all over one!

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Why do I want one? Because stock .45 ACP in a short barrel is going to be subsonic. Being subsonic it's going to suppress easily. Being a bolt action it will be quieter than a Marlin Camp Carbine in semi auto.

Makes for an excellent animal control gun. It beats the .44 Mag rifle in the near same config because I don't have to handload to get subsonic with a very heavy projectile.
Below is an example of what I'm talking about. As a firearms MFG I can convert existing bolt guns and build the suppressor...but was looking for a factory bolt action .45 ACP as the host firearm.

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The rifles you are talking about are the likes of winchesters and springfields. They are different from mausers in that they have a coned breach and have more play in the extractor to allow for it to snap over the cartridge rim. There is no difference otherwise in funcrtion betweeen them and a true crf like a mauser.

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Sot- very cool concept- the Brittish used the exact same concept in WWII called the DeLisle carbine- an enfield with a .45 suppressed barrel on it.

I did a search on Delisles and found these links:
http://www.keystonearms.com/gunsfs~non.html
http://www.valkyriearms.com/delisle.htm

By the looks of the prices, it would be cheaper to build your own.

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There's one out there. Several years back I had the chance to shoot a bolt action 45 ACP rifle. Barrel length between 16 and 18 inches, bolt action, used a stripper clip for 3 shot max capacity, barrel was threaded for silencer, very compact gun. I was told it was a short range sniper rifle. At a short distance of 25 yards all shots shot through the same hole with only a slight clover leaf to identify they actually went through the same hole. My partner was spotting with a scope and swore I missed every shot after the first shot. It wasn't until we walked to the target that we found out how accurate the gun was.
I found your question and this forum because I'm trying to find that same mft/model gun now. I'll re-post a reply if I find one.