30.06 and .308
 

I understand that these round have their own historical significance, and that the 30.06 is a longer cartridge than the .308, making a difference for some in a bolt action. Other than that, they are very similar aren't they?

I mean ballistically speaking, in terms of availability, and versatility for a reloader. Can't both rounds perform the same tasks equally well? Cartridges loaded similarly have similar recoil, stopping power, etc? Both pretty big boys too?

Faced with the decision to buy a single shot rifle in either caliber, is there any deciding factor between the two?

A lot of questions, I know, so thanks for any and all replies.:)

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

You can't go wrong with either one. For bullet weights up to 165gr. they are equal , but for the heavier stuff 180gr. or more the bullet protrude too far into the case on the .308 and this cuts down on powder capacity which cuts the velocity that can be achieved.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

The 30-06 handles heavier bullts better than the 308 Win. Ballistically they are close with bullets 165 grains and under, but above that the 30-06 starts to pull away. Sort of boils down to whether you prefer a long or short action though. Personally if I have to shoot anything needing over a 180 grain bullet, I want to move up from 30 caliber anyways.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

I own both. A 308 Browning A-Bolt and a Remintton 7600 30-06. The folks above are correct that under 180 grains both are pretty simular. However the 308 will never quite match the versitiliy of the older 30-06. If you are going to chase game bigger than elk I would pick the 30-06.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

As other have said, its pretty much a toss up, until you get to heavier bullets. Even then, if you really NEED more than the .308 can give you, you probably NEED more than an '06 could give you too!

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

308 winchester = 30-06 winchester improved aka 30-06 short, to sum it up basically the same performance but the 308 is capable of shooting more accurately then a 06 for one simple reason the 308 is a much more stable loading, a much more forgiving cartridge. Not to mention it also produces less recoil then a 30-06 not by much but enough to tell a difference especially after shooting 20 or 30 rounds.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

Essentially, the GI M2 Ball load for the .30/'06 with 4895 powder or the ball powder equivalent had about half an inch of empty airspace in it. So some genius in Army Ordnance said "why don't we cut off that half-inch of excess brass and set the shoulder back, re-neck the case, and keep the same bullet and powder charge?? This will reduce the size and weight of the ammo, make it easier to design machine guns and rifle actions around it, and still retain .30/'06-like ballistic performance." So they did, and the result was the 7.62X51mm NATO (AKA .308 Winchester). The fact that Savage had already done essentially the same thing a quarter-century earlier (the .300 Savage, a nearly identical cartridge), seemed to go unnoticed. The Army could have adopted the .300 Savage and designed the M1 Garand around it instead of around the .276 Pederson, which was the M1's original chambering. Had it not been for the intervention of Douglas MacArthur, the U.S. would have fought WWII with a 7mm caliber M1 rather than a .30!! Of course, all the light MG's and AR's would have had to be changed over too, otherwise we'd have been as bad off as the Japanese and the Italians, whom we used to ridicule because of all their different small-arms calibers!:)

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

i know the 30 06 is the most popular round , but the 308 is an inherently accurate round. most military and police sniper rifles are 308's. to me accuracy and shot placement are top priority over a few feet per seconds!!!

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

I have both in identical rifles, but prefer the 308, they are essentially the same ballistically , however when ejecting that first shell the 308 has a storter stroke, thus quicker for second shot , less muzzle blast, and less kick. I once sold an 06 bolt action because the muzzle blast was terrible and it made me flinch.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

My favorite caliber of the two has to be the 308, I like this caliber several reasons. Short action, hard hitting,low recoil and most of all its the most accurate caliber out there. It also a great allaround caliber for what ever u hunt,

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

like others i would choose the 308 over the 30-06

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

Funny how to some the great '06 is a bear killer and the .308 winchester is a spitball. I remember the Elmer Keith days... when he considered the .308, it was rather worthless in his articles. But then, the theme in G&A was always... you need a bigger "gun."

Moose have a bad temperament and I know why. The Candadians have been killing them up North with .303's for decades. Then the yanks slip in and hit them with something pretty much in the same class. The .308. They know we have their number. :-)

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

I'm going to have to go with the 30/06 on this one. The 06 is more available than the 308. There are more factory loadings. It is legendary in its widespread use and ability to do whatever people seem to ask of it. With a single shot there really isn't any benefit of a shorter cartridge. I have seen a lot of very accurate 06 rifles too. A side note is that I have always disliked the 308 because when I was growing up the only guy who had one that I knew was a real prick. The bad feelings kind of stuck on the 308.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

I would say that it depends on your circumstances. If your shots will be short it doesnt matter and the 308 would make sense. If on the other hand your going to use it for longer shots or with bigger bullets, then the 06 would be better.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

I have to go with the 30-06 like josh sorensen. The 30-06 would be the all around better caliber for a single shot, if you dont mind the kick even though its not that bad i dont think.The 06 has plenty of power to shoot the smaller grain bullets and the lager ones.
I've got a neighbor who thinks all his guns are better then mine too.He has a 308 and i have an 06.I get tired of hearing how much his caliber is better then mine[:@]

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

30-06lover - tell your neighbor hes full of it. The 308 is ALMOST equal in some situations, and is inferrior in others. I'm hard pressed to think of any situation where the 308 is BETTER?

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

Depends on what you mean by better. Ballistically speaking you are probably right, but drag your big 30-06 into the brush and wish for a Remington 600 in 308 Win. Has more to do with the rifle than the cartridge, but the 308 shines in handy, short barreled rifles where the 30-06 just can't be had.

RE: 30.06 and .308
 

Or even the 7.65x53 mauser which was being made by them wiley Germans about 60 years before the .308;)

[quote][ I'm hard pressed to think of any situation where the 308 is BETTER? /quote]
The .308 really outshines the '06 for accuracy in M1 Garand match rifles or high end custom bolt actions, but in a mass produced remchester with their crappy hammer forged barrel and with chambers cut by highly trained monkeys, you'll never realize a difference.