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the BIG GUN MAKERS. Please name make, model, year you bought it and from where you bought it. MUST HAVE BEEEN A NEW GUN PLEASE!
Try to keep this to the big name makers:Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Browning, S&W, Colt, Savage, Marlin, Mosseberg etc.,.
I hope this dosen't help the anti's, but if we let gun quality slip from a standpoint of realibilty to one of questionable safety, that will help the other side.
Please Note:I don't want to hear about guns bought just at Wal Mart, any lemon from any place is welcome.

Edited by - BigEd on 02/21/2002 02:21:55

Edited by - BigEd on 02/22/2002 19:48:38

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I bought my 700ADL 7mm from Wally World. Although I have yet to shoot it, I got it brandy new for $200. No way I was passing it up. Got my Ruger Stainless/Synthetic .270 the same day for $250. I love this gun.

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I don't know if its a serious design flaw or I had and exceptional rifle but rither way, I was happy to get rid of my rem 597 jam-o-matic.

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Marlin M25mn, 22mag from Wally World last year, would not group no matter what I did with it.
onpoint

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Bought a Rem 597 auto 22. Like Briman said, it was a jammer. I couldn't empty the gun without a jam, even shooting slowly. I even tried different types of shells.

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Well, I doubt Cobray qualifies as even an afterthought in 'gun names', but an M11/9 pistol I bought back in 1986 broke it's internal hammer within the first 100-150 rounds fired. Upon it's disassembly, the piece fell out on the floor, having snapped the hammer in half, right in the middle.

Was repaired under warranty, but still, the internal parts were of simple non-hardened castings/pot metal assortments. Not a gun I'd want to depend on, despite it's 36 round capacity. A fun plinker though!

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Do you really think this post is a good idea?

Anti's

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A Ruger Super Redhawk....It shot well but the Ruger Rings were eating up the frame mounting rail. Ruger exchanged this gun with a new one.The gun functioned perfectly except for the ring problem.It was bought through a local dealer.Once I bought a S&W 29 with a 6 1/2" BBL. The front sight was crooked. S&W replaced it.There will be defects from time to time no matter who the Mfg is.Ruger Redhawk

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1998, Mossberg 835 from Walmart. Misfired about 30% of the time, right out of the box. 2000, Remington 597, from Walmart. Jammed constantly, wouldn't shoot a 3" group at 25 yards. Walmart won't give refunds or exchanges on defective firearms, by the way. I don't know if it was coincidence, but I'll be damned if I ever buy another gun from Walmart...

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Remington 597. Just pure all around trash.

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My Ruger Super Blackhawk, had really rough chamber, I couldn't get it to eject the CorBon loads, without using a block of wood. But, my gunsmith polished them and they work fine now, as far as what I would call defective (parts simply didn't work), this is the only problem I have had.

Gordon

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ok biged, i bought a remington 700 sendero and a rem.seven at a going out of business sale from jumbo sports in little rock ar. i scoped the sendero and took it out and shot it. (shoots damn good) . well being a gun nut i am a stickler for a clean gun. so i took it apart and the stock chipped at the floorplate. as you know the sendero has a hs precision stock that aint cheap. i called remington and they said send it back . they sent me another new one. at about the same time i put a scope on the seven and sighted it in. i hunted with it and later when i went to clean it i noticed it. the sn# didnt match between the bolt and reciever. i know i should have checked it when i bought it but thats an entirely different story. remington said send it back and they fixed it . this could have been very dangerous if the bolt had been for a different gun. anyway these guns came from a sporting goods store not wally world. i am not mad i got two good guns at below dealer cost. i work for my friend in his pawn shop when aviation is slow. i can tell you guns from distributors come messed up also. most recent a marlin 22 with a bent cartridge tube. a 11-87 that had a chunk broke out of the reciever / tube area. a browning buckmark that would not expend hulls at all. a springfield scout that had the sight detent ball missing. the only gun manufacture that i have seen not to have a bad product come through is ruger. at least through his shop. now he sells alot of guns and i mean ALOT. and they all come from distributors that your gunsmith probably uses. it's about quality control at the manufacturer not wal mart. and as long as the manufacturer realizes the mistake and makes good on it i am ok. yeah some could be bad but as long as humans are doing it they will make mistakes. you know sarah bradys mother was only human too.

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Well said soarkrebel.You can't blame Sarah Brady's mother though.It just goes to prove there are seconds in everything.She is a reject from the word go.!Ruger Redhawk

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1998,mossberg 835 ultra-mag 3 1/2 12 ga.
from wal-mart.
it would shoot the shell in the barrel and eject it,then would not reload a new round.
sent back to mossberg two times,they said it was fixed.if it happened again they would replace it.
well it happened every time you ejected it fast.guess what? they would not replace it or fix it.

do anyone else see a pattern here? a lot of guns from wal-mart are no good!!!!!!is it that wal-mart gets seconds or what?


I am not a hunter I am a whitetail population reduction specialest

remember keep your back to the sun, your knife sharp, and your powder dry.

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Tree climber,i would have written a very detailed letter to mossbergs CEO and kept writing. threaten to put this story in every magazine and website you can. i would bet mossberg would quiet you with a new gun. they dont like bad publicity. guns manufacturers arent as big as car manufacturers and word of mouth advertisement is a very good tool.

i personnally dont like mossbergs and i would be willing to bet that wal mart didnt take seconds. in my opinion a mossberg is a borderline second when it is new!

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Rem 597 from Wally World. It's a jammer.
I have my own opinions about quality from Walmart. They advertize the lowest prices, right?
1- Maybe the gun manufacturers they contract with are forced to lower their quality standards to meet the low contract price.
2- Maybe we hear more about Wally's seemingly inferior guns because they SELL more guns.
Know what I mean Vern ?

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soarkerbel;I did wright the CEO,the mang. of marketing,the mang.of the repair shop.
I also talk by phone to each of them.told them they laied to me and the other mossberg owners.
it didn't make any difference to them.they supply the army,marines,and a lot of the polices dept. that is a quote from them.

I guess wal-mart sells so many weapons,they will have a lot of repair calls.
I was not downning wal-mart just the gun manfacturiers.I LOVE WALLY WORLD.

I am not a hunter I am a whitetail population reduction specialest

remember keep your back to the sun, your knife sharp, and your powder dry.

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I love this type of feed back, but it ain't good if this is an across the board problem. No wonder Wal Mart is refusing returns on guns. It just makes me sick though, about the attitude the gun makers are getting. I like to buy American as much as reasonably possible, but they are making it hard for me to support them.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Biged and they will pay in the end. i believe there is trend going on . new gun manufacturers will come out. and if the old ones cant make us happy we will put them out of business! and i bet it is tough living up in sam country.i worked for wal mart once for 4 months . and i'll say i didnt stock shelfs. i will have to say i liked my job but i cant do the wal mart cheer! i was fortunate and worked away from corporate but had to deal with them daily. it's like a cult! that was my first immpression on orientation, i thought what have i done? if you go out i believe it's 62 , you'll pass a building that everybody has to look at . you know going to garfield . you'll see were i worked and left! i just couldnt do the wallyworld thing!

TREECLIMBER you are allready hurting them. i had a poor attitude about mossberg anyway but you are just strenghtening it. get a rem 870 and i think you will be much happier. i tell everybody this.

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Sounds like a &quot;conspiracy&quot; against Wal-Mart again.<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

Big Ed you sure you don't work for K-Mart?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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F4YG Conspriacy against Wal*Mart.LOL.LOL. You might have something there?It does kinda sound that way.When you brought up K-Mart I had to laugh. They brought a Conspriacy against themselves and I might add did a fine job of it.Ruger Redhawk

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Guys, ever hear of &quot;Seconds&quot; or &quot;Rejects&quot;

The &quot;mart&quot; stores are the same as the discount tire stores. Dumping grounds for manufactures to unload those that did not pass quality control the &quot;First&quot; time. A little rework and out the door to the &quot;Marts&quot;
I work in the firearm industry (manufacturing). I've heard stories that really pissed me off as a gun owner and user.

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Also those package guns, are made to sell, not made to use!

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Well Mike I guess you would kjnow more than I would, but in the puchases made by me or family from Wal=Mart, No Problems at all.

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No, I don't do PR work for K-Mart. I'd have to be a short, fat, lezbo, talk-show host with black hair.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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BigEd can't imagine who you are describing. It couldn't be that Charming Rosie,that was the start of K-Mart's conspriacy.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>.I know K-Mart must be proud of her.. Ruger Redhawk

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Question to the Remington 597 guys.

Did your jamming guns have the all-plastic magazine?

My gun behaved just like yours did till I bought a new metal magazine....after the change of mag I never had a &quot;lock up&quot; or misfire, and I've been shooting a **** load of ammo.