good,fast,flat,accurate caliber rifles
 

Its a given that the .308 is the most accurate rifle cartridge out fo the box. my question is, what would be the best larger caliber bullet (.24 and up) that is fast,flat,accurate, and does not chew up a barrel...iv'e heard stories of the really heated cartridges wreaking havok on the bore of many barrels. I heard the the good old 30-06 is the best cartrige that will meet up w/ this criteria, any comments?
Bob Gifford

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the 30-06 is a good cartridge but to say it was the most accurate would be false .There are a lot of cartriges just as accurate . About the best your going to get is everyones opinion as to what is most accurate.

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Take a look at a balistics chart with the calibers you are considering.
I think you will be impressed with the 7mm Rem.Mag......I was and bought one.

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Accuracy is a product of quality materials and workmanship in a gun and a suitable load; and the cartridge really has very little to do with accuracy.Saying the 308 is the most accurate cartridge is a statement that can never be proven one way or the other.Barrel life is determined primarily by whether or not a barrel is overheated and how it is cleaned and the cartridge is a secondary factor that is only significant if the cartridge is a very large capacity overbore cartridge like the 30-378,ultramags or lazzeroni cartridges.For the average person looking for one rifle to use for all his hunting I recommend the 7mmm rem mag.It is flatter shooting than the 30-06 with similar recoil and more than enough factory load combinations are available for any situation.With proper care the barrel on a 7mm mag will still provide acceptable accuracy after two thousand rounds or more.

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300 Win Mag edges the 7mm Rem Mag. I love mine.

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good,fast,flat accurate????

7mm=08
.270
.280
can go on and on

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RR, yeah that's pretty flat!

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Hey now,My 7 rem mag can do that with 140 grainers.Does that count?

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yes it does

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sshunter-what are you using for bullets and what velocity are you getting?

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140 grain nosler ballistic tips @ 3390 out the muzzle.Its a 26 inch Rem Sendero.

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u don't need a magnum to be accurate.... 270,280,30-06 are all good accurate rifles... i guess the 7mmO8,25-06, and 260 aren't bad either....

if u want magnum then the 300 or 7mm would work good also.

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Well you are developing some pretty high pressures to get those velocities out of a 26" barrel.It can be done but you must push the limits to do it.I have seen sendero's that won't get that velocity out of 7mmstw's without showing pressure signs.

Edited by - stubblejumper on 01/06/2002 20:03:58

Edited by - stubblejumper on 01/06/2002 20:17:31

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I shoot 2 inch groups at 150 yards with my 7mm Rem. Mag using factory loads.
Accuracy is determined by the shooter. The rifle and the load only help.

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hunt4fun1-The shooter is a big part of accuracy but no-one is going to shoot 1" groups with 3" gun/load combination.You might fluke one but you are not going to do it on a regular basis.

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Without a pressure gauge i couldnt tell.No flat primers or head expansion.Its safe in my gun and i wouldnt post the load.It is only 1 grain over max in nosler manual.I think i got a good barrel.Shoots anything.

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Stubblejumper,
If I shoot 1 inch groups consistantly at 150 yds. with a 3 inch gun/load combo, that makes my 3 inch gun/load combo a tact driver doesn't it?

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hunt4fun1-It means you don't have a 3" gun/load combo.What I am trying to get across is that even the best shooter alive can't make a poor rifle shoot anywhere near as good as an accurate rifle.If that was the case and only the shooter mattered,target shooters wouldn't waste their money having super accurate rifles built and their time developing loads for them.By the way you are the only one I know who owns a tact driver.

Edited by - stubblejumper on 01/06/2002 21:05:50

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Stubblejumper,
I almost agree....I'll tell you why.
The 7mm I bought, I got from Walmart. It is a Winchester 70 and came with a Simmons 3x9 scope and I paid $310 for the whole set up.
I got it 2 years ago.
2 months ago, I bought a Tikka Whitetail Sporter in .22-250 and put a Weaver Grand Slam scope on it and still fight with my wife about the money I spent on the damn thing.
I shoot better groups with the Winchester.
That's all I'm sayin.

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Hunt4fun1-To truly find out how accurate a rifle is requires extensive load testing that most people will never do.Most people will try one or two loads and decide if a gun is accurate or not based on the guns performance with those loads without even trying any more if the results were not good.Price alone is also not an indicator of accuracy.Weatherby's for example are quite expensive yet only guarantee 1-1/2" groups at 100 yards.Savages are much lower in price yet are often as accurate and sometimes more accurate than a weatherby.Sometimes you come across a gun that no matter what load you try it simply won't shoot decent groups.It does not matter who the shooter is the gun is not going to perform.On the other hand you may come across a cheap gun that shoots really well with the first load you try.These are extremes and neither situation is all that common.All gun manufacturers built their rifles to certain standards and some will be above and some will be below these standards so there is no way to guarantee accuracy based on brand or model.

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Stubblejumper,
Be what may, the TOPIC was "good,fast,flat,accurate caliber rifles" and my point was; based on the ballistic tables printed in almost every gun rag and by every factory, I chose to go 7mm Rem. Mag. and my personal opinion is if the original author asks, and I quote," my question is, what would be the best larger caliber bullet (.24 and up) that is fast,flat,accurate, and does not chew up a barrel", my answer would be obvious.

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hunt4fun1
I see what stubblejumper is getting at. You did say "Accuracy is determined by the shooter. The rifle and load only help."

Really you can't have one without the other.

A fellow who can't hold steady, can't control his breathing and yanks the trigger as he flinches, will not shoot any rifle/load/scope combo well. (he will possibly bring the biggest buck into camp mind you)

A rifle/load/scope combo that will never shoot better than a 5 in. group when in a shooting vice, will not shoot better groups than that in the hands of even the best target shooter. (it might be the perfect gun for the fellow described above)

It is a given...that shooters will be expressing our opinions about "the most accurate cartridge" and the "best deer rifle" and "the best all around cartridge" when the next millenium roles around (God willing)

Robin

Edited by - Duffy on 01/07/2002 01:18:26

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Don't forget the .264 Win. Mag. Fast, Flat,Very accurate.