Deer rifle question?
03-21-2004, 06:52 PM
#1
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 5
Deer rifle question?
Hello all!
As you can tell by my handle I am a turkey hunter. I grew up deer hunting but in brushy country in NW Arkansas. Have not been deer hunting now in maybe 18 years...wow....the time goes by. I have a 30-30 Marlin, scoped, with see through mounts from those days. Will be carrying such with me this year during turkey season on ocassion for hawgs...would like some sausage and such for the freezer.
Anyway, a 30-30 is not really much for longer range Texas country. It's a good brush gun. I'm probably going on to the "deer lease" period this fall on the property I have the "turkey lease". They have nice deer. As a turkey hunter I have seen them
100 to 200+ yard shots could be possible from the shooting stands on this property. It seems more like deer sniping at times but I am very much looking forward to deer hunting this fall. I have taken 2 deer as a teenager/young adult with a bow and several with my old 30-30 way back when...
As a caveat to my question I will be certain to become familiar with, practice, and hit vital spots at the ranges I might be shooting.
OK, so now here is my questions, RIFLES? There are so many.
I'd like a gun for the following criteria...
- Texas deer, 50 to 200+ yards
- Possibly other North American game, Elk, etc...
- Lotsa ammo available to pick from (if applicable i.e. 30-06) as well as reasonable cost ammo.
- Inherent accuracy in the gun and caliber
- Cost, less than $600 for scope/rifle combo, but could pay more
- Non-wood stock of fiber or composite construction, and preferable Parkerized or stainless, lower maintenance metal
also, will probably add a Limbd Saver recoil pad to whatever I buy since from shooting a powerful turkey gun I really like my Limb Saver.
Caliber questions....
.270 or .30-06? or Other?
I have read reviews online and have seen guides say if you can shoot well a .270 is not problem for Elk or any Deer in North America.
I like the ballistics of the .270 and the available cartidges and hitting power of the .30-06.
Any recommendations?
As well I have considered something like the Remington model 710 combo. I know I might get ribbed for buying an econo gun but if I can hit with it...well you know...
Take care and thanks for any help!
Regards,
TurkeyHunter
Update: Nix the model 710. Got some first hand reputable reviews and I want something a little better. Now I am torn between the .270 and .308, but leaning toward the .308
As you can tell by my handle I am a turkey hunter. I grew up deer hunting but in brushy country in NW Arkansas. Have not been deer hunting now in maybe 18 years...wow....the time goes by. I have a 30-30 Marlin, scoped, with see through mounts from those days. Will be carrying such with me this year during turkey season on ocassion for hawgs...would like some sausage and such for the freezer.
Anyway, a 30-30 is not really much for longer range Texas country. It's a good brush gun. I'm probably going on to the "deer lease" period this fall on the property I have the "turkey lease". They have nice deer. As a turkey hunter I have seen them
100 to 200+ yard shots could be possible from the shooting stands on this property. It seems more like deer sniping at times but I am very much looking forward to deer hunting this fall. I have taken 2 deer as a teenager/young adult with a bow and several with my old 30-30 way back when...
As a caveat to my question I will be certain to become familiar with, practice, and hit vital spots at the ranges I might be shooting.
OK, so now here is my questions, RIFLES? There are so many.
I'd like a gun for the following criteria...
- Texas deer, 50 to 200+ yards
- Possibly other North American game, Elk, etc...
- Lotsa ammo available to pick from (if applicable i.e. 30-06) as well as reasonable cost ammo.
- Inherent accuracy in the gun and caliber
- Cost, less than $600 for scope/rifle combo, but could pay more
- Non-wood stock of fiber or composite construction, and preferable Parkerized or stainless, lower maintenance metal
also, will probably add a Limbd Saver recoil pad to whatever I buy since from shooting a powerful turkey gun I really like my Limb Saver.
Caliber questions....
.270 or .30-06? or Other?
I have read reviews online and have seen guides say if you can shoot well a .270 is not problem for Elk or any Deer in North America.
I like the ballistics of the .270 and the available cartidges and hitting power of the .30-06.
Any recommendations?
As well I have considered something like the Remington model 710 combo. I know I might get ribbed for buying an econo gun but if I can hit with it...well you know...
Take care and thanks for any help!
Regards,
TurkeyHunter
Update: Nix the model 710. Got some first hand reputable reviews and I want something a little better. Now I am torn between the .270 and .308, but leaning toward the .308
03-21-2004, 06:58 PM
#2
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Posts: 1,051
RE: Deer rifle question?
With your criteria listed, it's really a simple matter. Howa 1500 Lightning in either .270 or 30-06. If it were me, I'd go with the .270. If you shop around, you should be able to get into a complete rig for right around your $600.00 price limit.
Stay away from the 710. It's junk. The Howa is 3 times the rifle and doesn't cost that much more.
Stay away from the 710. It's junk. The Howa is 3 times the rifle and doesn't cost that much more.
03-21-2004, 10:07 PM
#6
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 105
RE: Deer rifle question?
You mentioned elk and that makes the cal. more important cause deer are not very hard to kill but elk is another story. Many have taken elk with the .270 but you have to be more picky on your shots. In other words a broadside shot needs to penitrate less than half as far as a quartering away from you shot to reach the heart. An Elk facing away from you may need you to shoot through 24" of tough elk hide, bone, muscle, etc.
A heavy tough bullet works best. A 30-06 in 200gr elk bullet will penetrate a long ways and may save a hunt. You can shoot 150gr for deer or even if you reload you can shoot 130 gr for coyote. Now if you hunt big bear there is a 220 gr bullet that might be what you need. With all the new ammo out there you can shoot the light magnum ammo that makes the 30-06 near 300win mag ammo.
This is what I think anyway.
A heavy tough bullet works best. A 30-06 in 200gr elk bullet will penetrate a long ways and may save a hunt. You can shoot 150gr for deer or even if you reload you can shoot 130 gr for coyote. Now if you hunt big bear there is a 220 gr bullet that might be what you need. With all the new ammo out there you can shoot the light magnum ammo that makes the 30-06 near 300win mag ammo.
This is what I think anyway.
04-02-2004, 04:53 PM
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gypsum KS USA
Posts: 1,289
RE: Deer rifle question?
Honestly, if you shoot your .30-30 well enough, there's nothing wrong with hunting it to 200-250yrds on deer, it might not be great for Elk at that range, maybe at 150 tops. Don't discount the .30-30 based on what people tell you about it, see for yourself how it shoots. Personally, I firmly believe that so many people believe the .30-30 is a short range cartridge because they don't shoot open sights or lever actions that well, so can't hit anything with it past that 100-150yrd mark, while I've seen one drop a whitetail at an honest 272yrds from a Marlin 336.
For your "other rifle" I recommend a Savage, maybe not a package deal because you get a pretty poor scope (although the rings are ok), I'd recommend a .30-06 or .308Win, but there are a hundred cartidges out there that will perform nearly equal to these two in the field. The savages are hard to beat on accuracy, and as far as value goes (performance per dollar), they're probably the best buy in town.
For your "other rifle" I recommend a Savage, maybe not a package deal because you get a pretty poor scope (although the rings are ok), I'd recommend a .30-06 or .308Win, but there are a hundred cartidges out there that will perform nearly equal to these two in the field. The savages are hard to beat on accuracy, and as far as value goes (performance per dollar), they're probably the best buy in town.
