Model 7, 308 problem?
 

My son has a model 7, 308 that can't seem to group anything better than a 3 inch group at a hundred. The main problem is with a nosler balistic tip and winchester 540 powder. Anyone come across this problem?

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

I think I identified your problem. Win 540 is a SHOTSHELL powder and also suggested for use in 10 mm Auto carts (according to the Seirra manual). I would switch to these other powders:

IMR 3031, 4064
WIN 748 or 760
Hodgdon H-380, Varget, or BLC 2
Hurcules Re15

The burn rate on the Win 540 you are using is not proper for your round rifle combo. Ihave used all of these powders except for Varget and BLC2. They all gave less than 1" in my rifle. I get best results in my rifle from IMR 3031, H-380, and Re15. I shoot a .308 too.

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

I am very curious as to where you got reloading data on the WIN 540 powder for the .308 application. Where did you get it? I can't find it in any of my reloading manuals.

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

Sorry about that it's win.748. When I was addressing this problem I was also thinking of something else.
Polack

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

polack,

Can you give us the specifics on your Win 748 load?

Off the top of my head, a 44.5gr load of 748 with 150gr Nosler BTs ought to give very acceptable accuracy results.

Personal experience leads me to believe that either 4064, 4895, Varget, or Reloader 15 will give you better results than 748..............especially if you're shooting the 165gr Noslers.

Oh..................one other question/suggestion.........................
How many rounds have been put thru the rifle and have you used a solvent that removed the copper build-up from the bore after previous shootings? If you have a significant build up of copper in the bore, it will definitely throw off the accuracy of the rifle.

Also, if you're using a scope, check the mounts for tightness and the scope for error....................that would be the simple solution.

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

We tried numerous loads in the 40+ grain load range and weren't too successful. I do know that this gun has a little head space problem, with the bullet seated almost all the way out it will not touch the lans and I'm thinking this gun might be able to get down to a specific accuracy and that will be it.
Polack

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

I doubt the problem is the ammo....Is the action glass bedded and the barrel free floating???

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

Its not a headspace problem if the bullet dosn't touch the lands- its that the leade or "freebore" is cut deep into the barrel. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to get near the rifling- if you seat the bullet too far out, you might not have enough bearing surface held in the neck of the cases causing inconsistant bullet pull. Seat the bullets at least .308" deep and forget about the rifling.

With a 165-168gr. bullet, I find that 4064 will give a very accurate load at the maximum load and approximately 2 gr. less than the maximum load.

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RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

loosen the fore end screw and slip a spacer like a piece of macth book cover. Tighten the screw good and tight and try it again. Remington relies on a pressure point near the end of the forearm. Sort of the oppisite of free floating. I have seen this cure a lot of Remington problems. If it works just coat the cardboard with a sealer and leave it in there. Or glass bed it. I had a 788 Remington 308 that just would not shoot. An old gunsmith told me to try that and it instantly started shootin one inch groups.

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

You can also end up pulling the bullet and filling your action full of powder when you unchamber a loaded round. I've done it!


Polack,

You didn't mention what weight bullet you were loading. Have you tried various bullet weights? I have one .308 that actually prefers 110 grain bullets. I had a Browning .308 that would shoot 150 to 165 grain bullets just great but wouldn't keep anything heavier or lighter within 3" to 4".

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

Thanks everyone for the different pieces of advice, we are going to work with a couple of things, ie. bullet weight, powder type and charges and I will let you know.
Polack

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

...I HAD ONE,I GOT INSIDE THE STOCK THE FIRST THING AND FREE-FLOATED
THE BARREL,THINGS HAPPENED,IT SHOT GREAT...:eek:

RE: Model 7, 308 problem?
 

Just came back from the range a short time ago and might have cured the problem. This gun is stainless with remington's synthetic stock, and after a few shots without any improvement we changed the stock to a mcmillen and had instant improvement. It immediately started to group its shots unlike before, being all over the paper. We are going to order a new stock for it and we'll go from there. I must admit that the stock that's on there is a lot to be desired, kind of flimzy to say the least.
Polack