FLAT shooting rifle
 

hey all i am looking to buy a bolt action rifle that can be used for chucks to wolf that is capable of really long shots. i was wondering what caliber would be the best and the flatest shooting. i was thinking of a .270 since thats the biggest thing we can carry in my area (southern ontario) since i may want to use it for black bear and moose as well....ive heard .270's r flat shootin.....but how flat?

i was also thinking about the 25-06....ive enevr even heard of these since a few weeks ago (im 18 years old) and from wut ive heard they r pretty flat too....

so id just like to know which caliber would be the best for game up to yotes or wolf...just so ya'll know the most popular ammo i see at stores close to my home are - .223, 22-250, .243, .270....just the ones i recall seeing the most of.

plz let know know how yall feel bout this topic as i wanna do as much research be4 i purchase a rifle.

also, which rifles have the best accuracy/performance below $1000 canadian?

thx for everyones help.

ch312

PS. while looking at rifle ballistic charts they show short trajectory and long trajectory....what do these terms mean? on remington.com for the smaller calibers i looked at the short trajectory would be say 5 inch drop at like 350 yards or sumthin but th same bullet with long trajectory the drop would be like 17 inches....plz explain the difference

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I would look at a tikka t-3 in 7mmremmag.Flatter shooting and more suitable for bear and moose than the 270win.

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If your on a budget I would go with a Savage . Not the nicest of the fanciest but will get the job done and for about 700 bucks.

They have lots of models and calibers to choose from. If you plan on hunting Moose and varmits about your best option would be a 7mm Rem mag. Their is also 270 WSM, 7mm WSM and 300 WSM all of which have long range capabilities.

These are the 2 rifles I would look at...

http://www.savagearms.com/16bss.htm

http://www.savagearms.com/16fss.htm

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I agree with stubblejumper....any of the 7MM Mags will serve you nicely.....use enough bullet!!!

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CH, If the govt. won't allow any calibre larger than the .270 (actual .277), that would seem to be your best choice. A 7mm (.284) would be too big. A .270 with a lighter bullet would do well on coyotes and such, while the 150g is fine for deer and bl. bear.
Be sure to include a scope and rings in your budget. Without good glass, your rifle won't be that useful. You should plan on spending as much for your scope as your rifle to really get a good shooter. Savage with their new trigger would be a good choice as they are very accurate and still inexpensive. Don't buy the package with a scope as the scope is not of good quality. You'll have to spend quite a bit more to get any better performance than the Savage offers.
The long and short trajectory is a new one on me. Try getting actual catalogs from the rifle makers as well as some ammo makers. That should explain all you want to know about trajectories. If not, try the library for books on shooting and ballistics. Good luck.

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For the type of shooting your describing, a 22-250 or a 25-06 would do just fine. Then again, so would a dozen others.
As for trajectory, that is how much the bullet drops over a given distance. Think of it as throwing a rock, the farther the rock flies, the more it drops until it eventually hits the ground. Simple physics.the bullets trajectory is the path the bullet takes before it hits the ground.What you saw on jamington.com was, simply put, short range and long range bullet drop. Some guys like to get more detailed, but thats the basics, bullet flight path= trajectory.
BTW,I thought you were going to use that shiney new Remington for all your shooting, is it fixed yet?? What was the problem?? Just curious.
As for what make to choose, although I don't own one, I've been hearing very good things about Savage lately.Unless of course you want to stick with Remington

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If you want to be able to take moose as well and with your legal limitation, you need a 264 Win Mag. Talk about flat shooting. Thats your ticket. May be a little hard to find but it would be worth building one. I made one from a 700 Reming ton in 7mm mag. Big improvement IMO.

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i succesfully got my stock refinished on my 870 express super mag and i stopped usin cheap low brasss shells and it hasnt jammed up again.....

i have changed my mind about which rifle i wanna get now....i will be using it as a varmint gun only since i forogt about the .303 bolt that was given to me a few weeks ago.....i could shoot it all day since the recoil is less then my shotgun with 2 3/4" turkey loads......ill just use the .303 for bear and moose.....

so now i am either looking at the .17 remi, .22 hornet, .223, .22-250, 6mm, or .243.....

which one would be the best for long shots on game up to yotes or wolf? i want a really flat shooting gun that has enough power for game up to the size of wolf.

thx for everybodies help

ch312

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I missed the part about the stupid 270 regulation.In that case I would go with a 25-06.

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7mm or a .243.. with a .243 you can take yotes or deer, and i have even killed a grouse with a shot to the head. :D boy was that grouse tasty!

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I am CONFUSED here.....

Does Ontario have a regulation stating the .270 Calibre(.277) as MAX???

If so, that is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard....

I would think that should be a MININUM type caliber for BIG game like MOOSE????? Doesn't everyone else?? I, myself, would NEVER hunt Moose with anything less than a 7mm caliber.

I looked all through the MNR regulations online and could only find that your rifle has to be centerfire and 20 guage or larger shotgun for Big game??


http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/pubs/hu...03%20final.pdf


In Sask the MININUM legal caliber to hunt big game(including Whitetail, Muley's, Antelope, Elk, Moose, Bear) IS ".23" . That makes the 243 or 6mm the mininum centerfire you can hunt with and there is NO maximum.

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What do you expect from ontario?After all they cancelled their spring bear hunt.And it is ontario voters that keep the liberals( who are trying to take our guns away) in power.

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ONLY in southwestern ontario u cant use anything bigger then .270....i think its north of the french river u can use anything u want if ya'll wanna check out some maps.....

i think im gonna get the .22-250 since i will be usin it for mainly yotes since i may see a wolf once or twice a year....

now i just gotta choose which rifle....

i have been looking at a savage model 11F....loooks like a pretty decent price for $675 canadian....plus ive heard that savage rifles have really good accuracy..

i dont have much experience with rifles so can ya'll let me know which rifle has the best accuracy chambered for the .22-250? i dont want to spend anymore then $850 canadian (be4 taxes) and i want a really accurate rifle that will last a long time and also be reliable...

thx

ch312

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.257 Hot Tamale dead on at 300 10" low at 500yds

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i havent even heard of the .257.....

which is more powerful and flat shooting? .223, .22-250 or .220 swift?

ch312

PS. god dam those bastards that say we cant use anything bigger then .270 in the southern part of ontario! i wish all those bastards would goto hell with there gun registry and other crap. plus, no handguns at all for hunting! so many dam rules and restrictions here its ridiculus....

while there is an open bow season for deer one cannot carry anything larger then #2 shot (if yer hunting where deer are) and u may not carry a rifle larger then a .22 rimfire!!! i think u may be able to carry .22 mag but i dont think so....

so basically we cant hunt anything bigger then a rabbit unless close range with the shotguns....

oh well i guess thats y sum ppl carry a slug or 2 with them all the time incase they see a yote or a wolf eh ;););) and i guess they have proven handy a few times for predators.....

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I just read in Guns and Ammo that this year 2004 Winchester will add the 25 WSM to the line up of short mag. My dreams have come true. I;m getting one.

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The .257 hot tamale is a 7mmSTW knecked down to .25 cal .. It moves a 100gr bullet over 4000 fps ..Bill

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338-How is it different from the 257stw?

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That would be the same .. hot tamale is the nick name the author of the story gave the round .. Bill

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Wonder what the barrel life would be on that round??

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how long do barrels usually last with .22-250?

i was also wondering how much of a difference there is in performance between 22" and 24" barrels?

still, nobody has even suggested a single brand/model of gun that is accurate and reliable.....

im looking to spend under $850 canadian before taxes....and scope

thx

ch312

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Either of these will be OK for varmints up to the size of wolves, and will do for deer also. BUT I definitely would not recommend a .22/250 for moose or bear! The .25/06 will certainly kill moose and bear, but the .270 Win. with 150-grain Nosler Partition bullets would be better for these two!! If your limitation is based on bullet diameter rather than cartridge case size, then get a .270 Weatherby Magnum! A used Weatherby should be available within your price range.

As for accuracy and reasonable price, look at a Savage! They have an excellent rep. for accuracy, and cost less than Rem, Win, Ruger, etc. However, don't rule out a good used gun!!

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