yeah posted mostly to get your opinions
04-06-2020, 07:09 AM
#11
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,436
I have a buddy that has an original Springfield of WWII vintage that he got from CMP when they had them. We used to play with it a lot. Fun rifle. I'd rather have the 30 Carbine with a 30 round mag than an AR in 5.56 for home defense. I know the 5.56 is effective because I shot some folks in the Middle East with it but I just like a little more bullet weight and the 30 Carbine shoots 110 gr bullet.
South Korea wanted to return thousands of M1s in 30 Carbine back when OBozo was in office. Normally these would go through the CMP for civilian purchase. OBozo refused to allow them into the nation and they were cut into scrap. CMP hasn't had any except for special auction listing for some time. May need to just bite the bullet and order a new one. Springfield and a few other makers still make them but they are pricey. I'd rather have one of the old military issue just because of the history behind them.
South Korea wanted to return thousands of M1s in 30 Carbine back when OBozo was in office. Normally these would go through the CMP for civilian purchase. OBozo refused to allow them into the nation and they were cut into scrap. CMP hasn't had any except for special auction listing for some time. May need to just bite the bullet and order a new one. Springfield and a few other makers still make them but they are pricey. I'd rather have one of the old military issue just because of the history behind them.
04-07-2020, 08:38 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Germany/Calif.
Posts: 2,664
I learned the role of firearms a whole different way than is preached today. First engage at the longest distance practical, none of this wait until you see the whites of their eyes B.S.
A pistol is only for those instances when your long gun malfunctions or touch them distance, a much better option than hand to hand or knife combat. Rifle, carbine, shotgun, pistol, knife, hands/feet and teeth in that order as the distance of engagement decreases. I have no idea where a pistol caliber carbine falls in the list, before or after a shotgun? Shotgun generally has a better chance of a hit, while a pistol caliber carbine has a little more distance.
Then you have to access the threat,
In the neighborhood, only two directions I can fire to make a full rifle useful or practical and even then passthrough might pose a threat to innocents.
A pistol caliber carbine might be useful. I opt for a rifle caliber carbine myself and try to shoot from the high ground, second story.
I shoot running rabbits (mostly) in the head with a shotgun, biting down on shotgun pellets is not fun. Shot them in the face and that is pretty much the end of the threat. If that makes you squeamish, the crotch is also a good deterrent.
Two things I always look for in a firearm, reliability and how robust it is.
A pistol is only for those instances when your long gun malfunctions or touch them distance, a much better option than hand to hand or knife combat. Rifle, carbine, shotgun, pistol, knife, hands/feet and teeth in that order as the distance of engagement decreases. I have no idea where a pistol caliber carbine falls in the list, before or after a shotgun? Shotgun generally has a better chance of a hit, while a pistol caliber carbine has a little more distance.
Then you have to access the threat,
In the neighborhood, only two directions I can fire to make a full rifle useful or practical and even then passthrough might pose a threat to innocents.
A pistol caliber carbine might be useful. I opt for a rifle caliber carbine myself and try to shoot from the high ground, second story.
I shoot running rabbits (mostly) in the head with a shotgun, biting down on shotgun pellets is not fun. Shot them in the face and that is pretty much the end of the threat. If that makes you squeamish, the crotch is also a good deterrent.
Two things I always look for in a firearm, reliability and how robust it is.
04-07-2020, 09:15 AM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
04-15-2020, 07:01 AM
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 6,575
If I'm following this post correctly...
my thoughts are...
get a .300 blackout ar15 with a 8.5" barrel to fulfill or better all of your needs!
IMO .300 blk > 9mm, .40, .45 and still compact....more powerful, also 110gr supersonic, and 220 subsonic options
my thoughts are...
get a .300 blackout ar15 with a 8.5" barrel to fulfill or better all of your needs!
IMO .300 blk > 9mm, .40, .45 and still compact....more powerful, also 110gr supersonic, and 220 subsonic options
04-16-2020, 08:47 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,846
04-16-2020, 08:53 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,846
I believe the question is "do you think PCC's are still viable, or have they been superseded?"
To which the answer is YES.
They are still viable, but they have also been superseded.
A 16" barrel 9mm PCC (preferably a locked breech design) loaded with 9mm+P+ is equivalent to a 4" barrel .357 magnum ballistically. No one on earth would ever say a 20 or 30rd .357 magnum is a bad thing.
A .357 magnum lever gun with a 16" barrel and max pressure rounds is the ballistic equivalent to a 7.62x39mm AK, but is 50 state legal. No one would ever say that's a bad thing. This is also a very Jury friendly option.
An M1 carbine with 110gr JSP has about the same muzzle energy at 100yds as a 4" .357 magnum at the muzzle. No one would ever say that's a bad thing.
None of them are bad...but an AR a Mini-14 or an AK is still better for most things.
To which the answer is YES.
They are still viable, but they have also been superseded.
A 16" barrel 9mm PCC (preferably a locked breech design) loaded with 9mm+P+ is equivalent to a 4" barrel .357 magnum ballistically. No one on earth would ever say a 20 or 30rd .357 magnum is a bad thing.
A .357 magnum lever gun with a 16" barrel and max pressure rounds is the ballistic equivalent to a 7.62x39mm AK, but is 50 state legal. No one would ever say that's a bad thing. This is also a very Jury friendly option.
An M1 carbine with 110gr JSP has about the same muzzle energy at 100yds as a 4" .357 magnum at the muzzle. No one would ever say that's a bad thing.
None of them are bad...but an AR a Mini-14 or an AK is still better for most things.
