350 Legend
After reading a lot of info on this cartridge I decided to try it out for myself. I didn't want it in a bolt action rifle so I did some searching and found an upper for my AR-15 on sale from deltateamtactical.com. Adding the "assembled" option for $15 my total was just over $200 for the complete upper. Then I found out that the standard .223/5.56 mags will not work without modification so I ordered a couple mags for it. Everything should be here by Friday. The model upper I got is called the Astral and has an 18" barrel. I would have sent the link but the 18" barrel is now out of stock. Will post pics when it arrives and is installed on my receiver.
I'm anticipating the PGC going to pass semi-auto rifles for big game soon. I just hope that when they do they limit mag capacity to 5 rounds. I think this would be a great combo for deer and black bear. |
bronko i myself will also be looking to get my a 350 legend . i first kinda knocked this caliber as a kids gun but let me tell you something out here in ohio most gun shops are out selling the 350 legend to the 450 bushmaster right now by 4 to 1 . it's the fastest straightwall cartridge on the market & what i've seen & read it's got good knock down power. also bronko i ask jake to give you my phone# & give me a call at your convience . just to introduce myself to you about next yrs bear season in pa & also about your tc impact. i keep trying to send you p/m but it would'nt let me
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I have two “spite uppers” planned for this summer. A 224 Valkyrie and a 350 Legend. Both have had some bad reamers making bad barrels out there which have pressed a lot of negativity around the forums and Facebook. The Legend gets a bad reputation for the fact folks have measured factory ammo to include .355-.356” bullets, instead of the .357” of the SAAMI spec. So folks assume the Legend is a 9mm. I’ve installed two 350 Legend barrels so far, both have readily accepted reloaded .357” bullets, as designed. A friend has a Ruger American which will chamber reloads with .358” 180 grain HotCors without sizing. Personally, I think the .350 Legend is right where it should be for deer and hog hunting, everything the .450 Bushmaster really should have been. |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4367824)
I have two “spite uppers” planned for this summer. A 224 Valkyrie and a 350 Legend. Both have had some bad reamers making bad barrels out there which have pressed a lot of negativity around the forums and Facebook. The Legend gets a bad reputation for the fact folks have measured factory ammo to include .355-.356” bullets, instead of the .357” of the SAAMI spec. So folks assume the Legend is a 9mm. I’ve installed two 350 Legend barrels so far, both have readily accepted reloaded .357” bullets, as designed. A friend has a Ruger American which will chamber reloads with .358” 180 grain HotCors without sizing. Personally, I think the .350 Legend is right where it should be for deer and hog hunting, everything the .450 Bushmaster really should have been. |
Info of value: SAAMI dimensional standards Chamber neck diameter: 0.3789” +0.002” Cartridge neck diameter: 0.378” -0.008” Bullet Diameter: 0.357” -0.003” 0.9 thou isn’t much clearance, but enough. But a minimum spec 0.3789” chamber with 0.0378” case neck around a 0.357” bullet with 2 thou neck tension... 0.378-0.357+0.002 = 0.023”, divide by two, that’s 11.5 thou case neck thickness. If you buy brass with 12.5-13.5 thou wall thickness, you have to either ream/turn necks or size bullets. Alternatively, a maximum spec chamber at 0.3809” less 0.0009” clearance, 0.380” cartridge neck, less .357” bullet plus 0.002” tension gives 12.5 thou case neck thickness. Still thin. Sizing to the 180 HotCor to .356” would certainly chamber - only pulling it down to .357” should fit, but .356” absolutely should unless the barrel chamber is out of spec. |
Its funny the way people pass laws, and industry always seems to work around them.
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Originally Posted by Cub Slayer
(Post 4368207)
Its funny the way people pass laws, and industry always seems to work around them.
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Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4368210)
What’s about the .350 Legend is working around a law? |
Making a straight-walled cartridge specifically to comply with the hunting restriction but to perform differently than the existing options. Reminds me of the many slug shogun innovations, or the multi-headed showers to avoid shower head flow restriction laws.
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Originally Posted by bronko22000
(Post 4368213)
The 350 Legend was designed to work within the law not around it. It has turned out to be an excellent choice for areas where straight walled only cartridges are allowed. The 450 Bushmaster was a hit but the Legend works just as well without the recoil. Less energy yes, but more than sufficient.
I might wish they’d made more accommodation for conventional brass neck thickness around the specified bullet diameters, but once cheap barrel makers stop pitching out-of-spec chambers, the Legend’s going to keep doing very well. It’s not skirting any laws. |
Originally Posted by Cub Slayer
(Post 4368216)
Making a straight-walled cartridge specifically to comply with the hunting restriction but to perform differently than the existing options. Reminds me of the many slug shogun innovations, or the multi-headed showers to avoid shower head flow restriction laws.
Cub, can you please tell me what existing options you're talking about? Anything that compares to the Legend ballistically is a bottle neck cartridge which would be illegal in the states where it was designed. Some of these states have several cartridge restrictions besides being straight walled. Minimum bullet diameter and minimum case length are a couple other restrictions. The legend has less recoil than the .243 and much less than the 450 Bushmaster making it an ideal cartridge for youngsters and smaller framed women. I got it to play with and just maybe the PGC will allow semi auto rifles for big game soon. But for now I can use it to play with and will likely use it should I get out to Ohio to hunt deer. |
not much off from the 357 maximum in a rifle.
RR |
Originally Posted by Cub Slayer
(Post 4368216)
Making a straight-walled cartridge specifically to comply with the hunting restriction but to perform differently than the existing options. Reminds me of the many slug shogun innovations, or the multi-headed showers to avoid shower head flow restriction laws.
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
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not much off from the 357 maximum in a rifle.
RR |
all i know & what i've heard & seen the 350 is a very good cartridge to use. like i said i first was against the 350. but looking into getting one now for ohio.
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Originally Posted by bronko22000
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Anything that compares to the Legend ballistically is a bottle neck cartridge which would be illegal in the states where it was designed. Some of these states have several cartridge restrictions besides being straight walled. Minimum bullet diameter and minimum case length are a couple other restrictions.
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Like I mentioned in my shower head analogy. Some states (and for a time, federal) limited the capacity of single shower heads, ostensibly to save water. How did the market respond? By building showers with multiple shower heads, thus obeying the law but nullifying the law's intended effect.
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Originally Posted by CalHunter
(Post 4368230)
So if you substitute cars, planes, numerous appliances or even sodas in New York (sorry, I couldn't resist that one), would the innovations on all of these (not the sodas) to comply with newer and more stringent laws make you not buy the newer items?
If you're asking me personally, I do not live in such a state. For that and other reasons, this cartridge doesn't interest me, but that was never the intent of my comment. |
I have given it some thought incase I ever wanted to take a deer hunting trip to Ohio or Indiana. Would they allow a .44 magnum rifle? What about .44 mag in a revolver?
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Yes, both legal for Ohio.
-Jake |
2019?!? Didn't know 350 Legend was THAT new. Now I don't have to feel so bad about jumping on the .338 Federal train.
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Originally Posted by Cub Slayer
(Post 4368248)
When did I say that?
If you're asking me personally, I do not live in such a state. For that and other reasons, this cartridge doesn't interest me, but that was never the intent of my comment. |
Originally Posted by CalHunter
(Post 4368304)
This explained your earlier post much better. I agree on not living in a state that limits things so much. Having said that, I'm still in CA with all of the anti-lead laws and other stupid crap but not forever. After the wife and I retire, we're moving to another state and taking our retirement $$ with us. I realize some snowflakes will get offended at that but hey, most of them are still living in their parents' basement anyway. :s3:
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there is never nothing wrong with a new cartridge, it creates revenue and interest in the shooting world. The 6.5 creed took the shooting world by storm, it is the same as the 1950's 6.5/250 savage, but better technology has raised the capabilities of all cartridges due to allowing higher pressures, which adds up to better performance.
RR |
I don’t think the .350 Legend will enjoy the fame and fortune of the 6.5 Creedmoor, but in a specific market with virtually only one option, the .350 Legend is a welcomed addition. Even in non-straightwall required states, the Legend will enjoy a happy market - I know a bunch of hog hunters and deep woods deer hunters who are itching for more options without the short-range limitations of the “hammer” cartridges previously available for their AR’s. A few buddies up north live in “handgun and shotgun only” zones, such an AR-15 pistol is legal fare, and a .350 Legend fills a previously vacant niche between the rather lack-luster .300 blk and the 458 Socom/450bushy. Guys wanted the 350 Legend, that’s why we’ve seen guys wildcatting rounds like the .357 MaxAR and .358 Yeti before the factory offering of the Legend came to pass. As I have said many times before - there are a lot of questions which are well answered by a 180-220 grain bullet at 1900-2200fps. |
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