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350 Legend
Well I may be a bit behind the times here but I see that Winchester has come out with a new cartridge called the 350 legend. It looks like it would be a great cartridge for those area that can only use a straight walled cartridge. Other than that I really don't see any reason for someone to go trade in their good old 35 Rem. Yeah with the newer designed bullets and in a bolt action rifle it may perform better past the 150 yard mark. But IMO a Leverevolution bullet out of your 336 can be so close no deer or blackie is going to know the difference.
Not this may in the near future be another option for the AR platform. |
ARs are already out. And ammo is CHEAP at least compared to buying 45-70, .44mag, .444 and other popular " straight walled" options
I know quite a few guys buying them in Ohio. -Jake |
The only interest I have in one is if I were to rebarrel a Remington 7600 for one.
Funny thing is... I'm not even entirely sure if it's legal in Ohio. Read this article if you have a few minutes.... https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/whats-going-on-with-350-legend/amp/ -Jake |
I haven’t done so myself, but supposedly the guys living in Ohio have confirmed it’s legal. Even though the SAAMI spec is 9mm Pistol bullets, instead of .357” rifle bullets. |
ODNR says it is.
But their regulation still reads ".357-.500" I want to use my 9mm carbine some time ... If the legend is legal maybe my 9mm will be as well.... -Jake |
How does this cartridge compare to the .357 Maximum?
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Originally Posted by Fyrstyk54
(Post 4359906)
How does this cartridge compare to the .357 Maximum?
That’s how it compares. |
Originally Posted by Bocajnala
(Post 4359904)
ODNR says it is.
But their regulation still reads ".357-.500" I want to use my 9mm carbine some time ... If the legend is legal maybe my 9mm will be as well.... -Jake |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4359913)
Can you buy a .357 max AR-15 on the shelf at your local gun shop? That’s how it compares. -Jake |
In the AR-15, the 350 Legend bridges the gap quite nicely between the more popular sub-.30 caliber offerings and the 45 and 50 caliber thumpers. It's basically an AR compatible 357 Maximum, but with much less reloading data available.
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4359899)
I haven’t done so myself, but supposedly the guys living in Ohio have confirmed it’s legal. Even though the SAAMI spec is 9mm Pistol bullets, instead of .357” rifle bullets.
Originally Posted by Bocajnala
(Post 4359904)
ODNR says it is.
But their regulation still reads ".357-.500" I want to use my 9mm carbine some time ... If the legend is legal maybe my 9mm will be as well.... -Jake
Originally Posted by Fyrstyk54
(Post 4359906)
How does this cartridge compare to the .357 Maximum?
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Originally Posted by TN Lone Wolf
(Post 4359918)
From what I've seen, it's supposed to take .357" bullets. .358" rifle bullets presumably probably work just fine. People use them in 357 Maximum single shots with no trouble.
The SAAMI spec for the .350 Legend is .357”-0.003”, whereas the .357 max, like the .357magnum and 38spcl, is .359-.003” for lead and .358”-0.003” for jacketed bullets. They all use the same .355” groove & .346” bore specification. Guys have mic’d the factory ammo to reflect .355” bullets being used. As noted, ODNR doesn’t care - they’ve listed it as legal for use, but it has raised the question. Personally, I never have been satisfied by using .358” rifle bullets in .357 max or .357/44 B&D, but drawing them down with the Lee sizing die is a quick, easy, and inexpensive step to ensure fit. |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4359913)
Can you buy a .357 max AR-15 on the shelf at your local gun shop? That’s how it compares. |
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021111763
many of the people reading the thread have access to an AR15 lower assembly purchase this upper and its a cheaper route to a decent whitetail deer rifle than purchasing a new rifle |
Originally Posted by Fyrstyk54
(Post 4359945)
My question has to do with the ballistic differences of the two cartridges. I am not familiar with the 350 Legend, and was curious as to how it compares to the 357 Max.
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seen one yesterday & was not impressed with the round & weapon. would be a great gun for a kid or beginner or even a small framed women. looks to good to aprox 125 yrds. i'll stick with my 450 bushmaster. everything i've hit with it went down drt furtherest it went was 5 feet.
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I've watched one deer shot with the
.450bm. As always shot placement is key... But it dropped so quickly we had to dig dirt out of its nostrils for pictures. -Jake |
jake wait till i show you some pictures of what the 450 bm did on my deer. what devasation it does. like i said i've yet had one run when hit with the 450bm.it's a awesome round
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Originally Posted by t.shaffer
(Post 4360142)
seen one yesterday & was not impressed with the round & weapon. would be a great gun for a kid or beginner or even a small framed women. looks to good to aprox 125 yrds. i'll stick with my 450 bushmaster. everything i've hit with it went down drt furtherest it went was 5 feet.
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well the information i got was thru one of your so called factory reps. & again it may shoot flatter than my 450 bm so will a 22 but does not have nearly the knock down power. everything i've hit with the 450bm has not gone further than 5 feet.and everything i've hit with the 450 bm has left nothing but devastation. i hit one @ 250 yrds & was a little behind were i was aiming & put her straight down. that's the only one i had to put a second shot into.
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Originally Posted by t.shaffer
(Post 4360213)
well the information i got was thru one of your so called factory reps. & again it may shoot flatter than my 450 bm so will a 22 [...]
A 22 Long Rifle will push a bullet around 1100fps, whereas your Bushmaster with standard loads should be pushing 1800-2200fps, with an inherently better ballistic coefficient. It’s great you enjoy your 450 Bushmaster, but you’re displaying an obvious bias. Many, many cartridges will deliver fast kills on game, and the 450 Bushmaster certainly is not the least of them - implying anything with less energy would slip below some “cut off limit.” If you’d come in talking about your actual negative experience with the .350 Legend, or similar cartridges like a 357max, 38-55, 357mag rifle, 357/44 B&D, .358 Winchester, .375 win, etc, and contrasting those against your experience with the .450bushmaster, you’d have an objectively defensible case. But just saying “the 450 Bushmaster is more powerful, and I like it,” isn’t really any evidence the .350 Legend won’t perform well. Your 125 yard limit assertion, which is what I questioned, remains to be undefended by your assertions of superiority in the 450 Bushmaster. When “enough is enough,” then “more enough” isn’t really anything. Folks have been killing game with cartridges similar to the 350 Legend for over a hundred years - if it were insufficient for the task, we’d have figured that out a long, long time ago. |
been reading some articles on the 350 legend. maybe i was'nt giving it a fair chance. they claim it to be the fastest straight walled cartridge out there. also most of the articles don't recommend going past 150 yrds. but does show energy ft lbs of 984 @ 200 yrds . i believe the recommend ft lbs of energy should always be above 1000. in which 984 is not that far off. i will wait to see how it does in it's first year of deer hunting in ohio. also they talk about recoil being so reduced. may try to find somebody with one & see how it actually does shoot.
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Originally Posted by t.shaffer
(Post 4361595)
most of the articles don't recommend going past 150 yrds. but does show energy ft lbs of 984 @ 200 yrds . i believe the recommend ft lbs of energy should always be above 1000. in which 984 is not that far off.
Ernie Bishop, as a particular example, has shared his experience (far beyond my personal comfort with .357mag) taking a beautiful pronghorn at 189 yards with a custom .357mag shooting factory ammo. If the paltry .357mag can manage game at that range, the 350 Legend will have no trouble, touting twice the punch. I used to hunt with .357 max, then a 357/44 Bobcat mag, and now a .357/44 B&D Magnum in revolvers which don’t quite match the .350 Legend in a rifle, falling a couple hundred feet per second behind in short barrels. I consider a 180grn bullet running 1800-1900fps from the muzzle to be ideal for whitetail hunting out to 250 yards from a revolved. Again, performance surpassed by the .350 Legend in a rifle. There are a handful of AR cartridges I would recommend for anyone outside of a Straightwall state over the 350 Legend, but it’s certainly a viable option in any state. |
Should PA ever legalize semi-auto rifles for big game the 350 legend would be one of the chamberings I would consider for my AR. Outfitted with a 16" bbl and a 4X scope I think it would be just about perfect for woods hunting.
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Originally Posted by bronko22000
(Post 4361626)
Should PA ever legalize semi-auto rifles for big game the 350 legend would be one of the chamberings I would consider for my AR. Outfitted with a 16" bbl and a 4X scope I think it would be just about perfect for woods hunting.
I’ll need a 35 or 45 cal suppressor though, and will likely put it on a 10.5” or 12.5” SBR upper. |
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